Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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Chinese also have fighting dna. Remember kung-fu, and the teachings of the temple of five elements.
Itna sannata kyun hain bhai on the China front.. No news of troop or extra armour deployment at DBO after the news about 12 t-90 tanks.. Or has it de- escalated already.. 
Itna sannata kyun hain bhai on the China front.. No news of troop or extra armour deployment at DBO after the news about 12 t-90 tanks.. Or has it de- escalated already..
After that, there was news of 38000 CRPF sent to the Kashmir valley. This will significantly reduce the manpower requirements of the army when it comes to policing.
thats what they thought of japanese before they steamrolled russia and went on to take on US.
Hope Indian security planners dont sleep on the job and we learn from history. Similarities are quite frightening , scenario & threat posed is very much real. Lets take decision based on facts instead of hype & hoopla. From chinese view point we are the last real threat to their dominance of asia & ascendancy to world power. Any one in govt who thinks talks , economic interdependence, doing nothing ...etc will keep the chinese at bay need to be sent to mental asylum.
The Chinese have an extremely long history of fighting, much more so than Germany. Wouldn't be smart to dismiss them that way.
Rather I would say that china has a long history of losing and humiliation whenever they fought with any outsiders. In my opinion, we are well prepared to humiliate them in Himalayan region and in Indian Ocean.
Whether they win or lose is different, but they will put up a fight. Germany lost as well, both times during the World Wars. Japan lost too.
I think we want to Test them in The Harsh Winter ahead
It is possible that they will become Weakened due to the long Winter
Deployment
In 1987 Sumdorung Chu , they Compromised after winter ie after
Suffering Weather related casualties
We are not going to do anything to them. If they want to attack us, then we will fight. Or else, we will only stubbornly keep negotiating for a full withdrawal while making them suffer in the economic and diplomatic front.
Even if it's winter, they will sit warm and comfortable in their tents and move around in vehicles, whereas we have to walk in the cold.
While a limited war is fine, a full scale war with China is going to be extremely expensive, we can't afford it as of yet, especially when they have more or less finished their modernisation. It will cost us billions of dollars every day if we fight, an amount better spent on modernisation. For example, even if we spend $5B a day on war consumables while the Chinese spend $10B, at the end of 60 days, we will have spent $300B while they will have spent $600B. No prizes for guessing for whom it's going to be more affordable when our yearly national budget is less than $450B while China's is more than $3.5T.
The Chinese know that we are financially outmatched and anticipated the fact that we are now busy spending all our money on fighting COVID and fixing our economy to bother about the border, and the very fact that they became aggressive right after Modi announced the massive $265B stimulus package to aid the economy. That's basically all our modernisation and fighting money without breaking the bank.
For us, now, it's all about buying time. Hopefully, we get Trump again, and America becomes far more aggressive towards China, particularly over the Iran-China deal, which means Pakistan is also going to get caught up in it, and we should use the time bought to swiftly modernise during the next 4 years, while making the necessary reforms that will allow us to de-Hanise our economy.
Right now, any attempt at a limited war will put the onus of escalation on China. And the Chinese can afford to open up the entire border for hostilities, like we did with Pakistan in 1965. Otoh, the more we wait, the better for us and the worse for the Chinese.
I do not like to pay heed to such kind of thinking. Remember, a certain someone thought 20 Hindu 1 Muslim something. Well, their nation lies broken into two, they cann't do a shit about India merging Kashmir and they have a begging bowl to boot. Past has shadow on Present at best, but shadows are not solid.
Hmm.. Same can be said about Indian losses and humiliation against invaders from the west.. Babar, Lodhi, British, Nadir Shah, Ghazni.. etc..
Amid stand-off with China, ITBP to purchase 358 silencer-fitted sniper rifles
As the stand-off with China continues along the Line of Actual Control in eastern Ladakh, the Indo-Tibetan Border Police Force (ITBP) has moved to purchase new sniper rifles for its field units.
The ITBP has projected a requirement for 358 sniper rifles with detachable sound suppressors as standard equipment.
"On August 10, the force floated a global tender for procuring the new weapons,” said an ITBP officer.
The force’s requirement is a 7.62 x 51 mm bolt action rifles with an effective killing range of 800 meters, and above, and fitted with integrated telescopic sights for daylight as well as low light conditions. These should be able to function effectively in temperatures up to minus 30 degree Celsius.
Of its 56 service battalions, 32 are deployed for border guarding duties along the Himalayan frontier with China, manning 180 border outposts at altitudes ranging from 9,000 feet to 18,750 feet.
These units were reinforced during the current stand-off and asked to step up their surveillance and monitoring activities.
At present, the ITBP is using the Austrian SSG-69 bolt action rifle, a highly accurate and widely used weapon, as its standard sniper platform.
The highly regarded Russian Druganov semi-automatic rifle, based upon the AK-47, is also in use.
Snipers prefer single-shot bolt action rifles over semi-automatic as they are considered to be more accurate and reliable. According to an officer, bolt action rifles are not only lighter and simpler but also have lesser number of moving parts and internal mechanisms than gas-operated semi-automatics. Moreover, snipers do not require a high rate of fire, for which semi-automatic and automatic weapons are designed, as one or two shots are sufficed for a trained marksman to meet his objective.
Snipers are considered to be force multipliers and many armies attach a great deal of importance to the role of snipers in the field.
A single sniper can neutralize a high-value target or pin down a body of enemy troops for a considerable length of time. Much of a sniper’s work involves observation, surveillance and intelligence gathering.
Snipers require a very high degree of training, enormous levels of patience and quick reactions. Every force has a dedicated institute and special courses for snipers.
In the ITBP, this job is entrusted to the Support Weapons Training School co-located with the Support Battalion at Karera in Madhya Pradesh.
The Army too was going in for new sniper rifles to replace the Druganov.
Last year, it began inducting Italian Beretta and American Barrett weapons in units deployed along the Line of Control. Though the Army, which uses several types of sniper rifles, had a requirement of about 5,700 such weapons, late last year the procurement was reduced by about 70 per cent due to budgetary constraints.
This month, 7.62 mm sniper rifles were among 101 items placed on the import embargo list by the Ministry of Defence.
Amid stand-off with China, ITBP to buy 358 silencer-fitted sniper rifles
Vijay MohanTribune News ServiceChandigarh, August 11
Amid stand-off with China, ITBP to purchase 358 silencer-fitted sniper rifles
As the stand-off with China continues along the Line of Actual Control in eastern Ladakh, the Indo-Tibetan Border Police Force (ITBP) has moved to purchase new sniper rifles for its field units.
The ITBP has projected a requirement for 358 sniper rifles with detachable sound suppressors as standard equipment.
"On August 10, the force floated a global tender for procuring the new weapons,” said an ITBP officer.
The force’s requirement is a 7.62 x 51 mm bolt action rifles with an effective killing range of 800 meters, and above, and fitted with integrated telescopic sights for daylight as well as low light conditions. These should be able to function effectively in temperatures up to minus 30 degree Celsius.
Of its 56 service battalions, 32 are deployed for border guarding duties along the Himalayan frontier with China, manning 180 border outposts at altitudes ranging from 9,000 feet to 18,750 feet.
These units were reinforced during the current stand-off and asked to step up their surveillance and monitoring activities.
At present, the ITBP is using the Austrian SSG-69 bolt action rifle, a highly accurate and widely used weapon, as its standard sniper platform.
The highly regarded Russian Druganov semi-automatic rifle, based upon the AK-47, is also in use.
Snipers prefer single-shot bolt action rifles over semi-automatic as they are considered to be more accurate and reliable. According to an officer, bolt action rifles are not only lighter and simpler but also have lesser number of moving parts and internal mechanisms than gas-operated semi-automatics. Moreover, snipers do not require a high rate of fire, for which semi-automatic and automatic weapons are designed, as one or two shots are sufficed for a trained marksman to meet his objective.
Snipers are considered to be force multipliers and many armies attach a great deal of importance to the role of snipers in the field.
A single sniper can neutralize a high-value target or pin down a body of enemy troops for a considerable length of time. Much of a sniper’s work involves observation, surveillance and intelligence gathering.
Snipers require a very high degree of training, enormous levels of patience and quick reactions. Every force has a dedicated institute and special courses for snipers.
In the ITBP, this job is entrusted to the Support Weapons Training School co-located with the Support Battalion at Karera in Madhya Pradesh.
The Army too was going in for new sniper rifles to replace the Druganov.
Last year, it began inducting Italian Beretta and American Barrett weapons in units deployed along the Line of Control. Though the Army, which uses several types of sniper rifles, had a requirement of about 5,700 such weapons, late last year the procurement was reduced by about 70 per cent due to budgetary constraints.
This month, 7.62 mm sniper rifles were among 101 items placed on the import embargo list by the Ministry of Defence.
Amid stand-off with China, ITBP to buy 358 silencer-fitted sniper rifles
Vijay MohanTribune News ServiceChandigarh, August 11www.tribuneindia.com
Ugh! Where I come from, we have a saying : "Ain Shikar ke waqt kutiya hangasee". The dog needs to take a dump exactly during the minute of the hunting... Thats how our weapons procurement happens.
Or is it a sign that ITBP is considering the possibility that it might have to fight ?
Maybe ITBP would be placed under Army command along the LAC, in the near future ?Saying they need guns is one thing. Getting a confirmed source is another. Ordering is yet another. Getting delivery is yet yet another. And lets not even talk about getting trained and well versed in the rifle and tactics around it. This is a 2 year project not 2 months.Or is it a sign that ITBP is considering the possibility that it might have to fight ?
If PLA is marching and looting in Canaught Place, IA will not still be fighting because there won't be orders from Jaishankar or anyone in MoD. Current Indian leadership cannot fight China to even save their own family members. Which is why a lot of them keep them out of India.
Sanitize from smoking overdose of weed before visiting the forum.
India said 43, US said 35, an insider chinese living in exile in the US claimed over 100 dead on the chinese side in the Galwan brawl.
You have no idea of the valor of Indian forces!