Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[Saaho]

India said 43, US said 35, an insider chinese living in exile in the US claimed over 100 dead on the chinese side in the Galwan brawl.

And yet it was claimed that there was no incursion. Both at MoD and at the highest levels. So what was that? A bar brawl? Personally, there was nothing more insulting to IA soldiers who fought and died than those words : "No one entered, no one is sitting in our borders". The entire event then becomes a "misunderstanding/misadventure" of sorts instead of a military action. Complete with clubs, batons, chains, barb-wires and sticks. This kind of leadership makes me sick to the core.

You have no idea of the valor of Indian forces!

No where I doubted that. I said "won't be orders". Indian Army is a professional force and works on order of its civilian / ministry command. If such leadership surrenders exercises strategic restrain, then Army will be forced to do nothing.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Indian Army is a professional force and works on order of its civilian / ministry command. If such leadership surrenders exercises strategic restrain, then Army will be forced to do nothing.

Urgency in Military Action is shown when a Valuable Position is about to Fall to the enemy

Here our Patrolling has been Blocked
At a few positions

So just for Restoring our Patrolling Rights RIGHT Now when we are NOT FULLY PREPARED ,will be like walking into a disaster with Eyes open

Wars are not won by Foolishness

 

[Saaho]

Urgency in Military Action is shown when a Valuable Position is about to Fall to the enemy

Here our Patrolling has been Blocked
At a few positions

So just for Restoring our Patrolling Rights RIGHT Now when we are NOT FULLY PREPARED ,will be like walking into a disaster with Eyes open

Wars are not won by Foolishness

Wars are won by preparation. We are not doing anything remotely like that. We were not doing remotely anything like war preparation even before 15 June. We are not doing now too.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Wars are won by preparation. We are not doing anything remotely like that. We were not doing remotely anything like war preparation even before 15 June. We are not doing now too.

So you are aware of ALL the Decisions and Actions going on in the MOD and at the level of the 3 Services

If you think that we are not making any preparations then You really do believe in 2 things

1 )That Modi and Doval will let them get away

No they will not , never , they are waiting for the Right time

2) Our Armed forces are unprofessional
Which is Absolutely False and base less

They know their job and the TOOLS required for this Task

 

[Killbot]

Sanitize from smoking overdose of weed before visiting the forum.

India said 43, US said 35, an insider chinese living in exile in the US claimed over 100 dead on the chinese side in the Galwan brawl.

You have no idea of the valor of Indian forces!

Dude they ambushed us... Which means they had us outnumbered.. Also we were unarmed.. How did we manage to kill 43 of them? As it was hand to hand combat, there would have definitely been casualiities on both sides, But not as many as 35 on the Chinese side.
Because of my experience with martial arts I can tell you, you don't want to get into a fight with multiple Armed people if you're unarmed.
But that being said IA did stand up to them. 20 bravehearts were martyred.. No doubts about their valour... But govt giving unconfirmed [and most likely fake] casualty reports on other side cannot justify their deaths.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Dude they ambushed us... Which means they had us outnumbered.. Also we were unarmed.. How did we manage to kill 43 of them? As it was hand to hand combat, there would have definitely been casualiities on both sides, But not as many as 35 on the Chinese side.
Because of my experience with martial arts I can tell you, you don't want to get into a fight with multiple Armed people if you're unarmed.
But that being said IA did stand up to them. 20 bravehearts were martyred.. No doubts about their valour... But govt giving unconfirmed [and most likely fake] casualty reports on other side cannot justify their deaths.

They definitely lost more soldiers

And above all our sudden attack on their camps at night shocked them

After this incident they did not TRY any further nonsense

Also they have beefed up their strength in the rear areas because they are expecting more damages and losses
IF our Army starts military action

They will remember our Retaliation for a long time , the Broken necks and the smashed faces

 

[Sulla84]

Dude they ambushed us... Which means they had us outnumbered.. Also we were unarmed.. How did we manage to kill 43 of them? As it was hand to hand combat, there would have definitely been casualiities on both sides, But not as many as 35 on the Chinese side.
Because of my experience with martial arts I can tell you, you don't want to get into a fight with multiple Armed people if you're unarmed.
But that being said IA did stand up to them. 20 bravehearts were martyred.. No doubts about their valour... But govt giving unconfirmed [and most likely fake] casualty reports on other side cannot justify their deaths.

We lost more men, during the first ambush.. But, then, IA soldiers retaliated with bayonets, knives, sticks.. everything they got..except guns.. thats when the Chinese lost more men.. but, not sure about numbers on the chinese side..

 

[Sulla84]

Sanitize from smoking overdose of weed before visiting the forum.

India said 43, US said 35, an insider chinese living in exile in the US claimed over 100 dead on the chinese side in the Galwan brawl.

You have no idea of the valor of Indian forces!

IF the decision to retaliate was left to Modi/MoD, rather than the lieutenant Colonel who started the retaliation.. IA would have been asked to suck it up, and stay quiet. But, Modi might still claim some credit of Galwan Katal ki raat.. somewhere down the line.. (although I doubt it, as unlike Pakistan, he treads very lightly when it comes to the chinese.. )

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

IF the decision to retaliate was left to Modi/MoD, rather than the lieutenant Colonel who started the retaliation.. IA would have been asked to suck it up, and stay quiet. But, Modi might still claim some credit of Galwan Katal ki raat.. somewhere down the line.. (although I doubt it, as unlike Pakistan, he treads very lightly when it comes to the chinese.. )

The Government must use Anti China sentiments to stop Chinese imports

De escalation will again restart Chinese imports

 

[maint1234]

Saaho, you need to calm down. Very thin line between being practical and being a fear mongerer . Your incoherent posts are just spoiling the thread.
Next time you are about to post, think whether the post contributes to the thread or you are just projecting your fears.

I will again emphasize. There are no clearcut solutions to this conflict.
Only thing the IA can do is mobilize and build up its stocks. Even training is a thing of the past now. The games are here.
On the political and economic front, golden chance for India to decouple from china , being the aggrieved party.
Target xi personally. Chinese have a fixed hierarchy. Targeting their leader is grest affront for them.

 

[vstol Jockey]

I will again emphasize. There are no clearcut solutions to this conflict.
Only thing the IA can do is mobilize and build up its stocks. Even training is a thing of the past now. The games are here.
On the political and economic front, golden chance for India to decouple from china , being the aggrieved party.
Target xi personally. Chinese have a fixed hierarchy. Targeting their leader is grest affront for them.

Just one swift successful attack from Gogra/Hot Springs area to take over Kongka La will force PLA in full retreat.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Just one swift successful attack from Gogra/Hot Springs area to take over Kongka La will force PLA in full retreat.

Nothing will happen until Trump is re elected

Trump is looking for a " Victory " against China before November 3
re election

So China will give him a Trade deal

By the Way The Taiwan front is getting hot

If a Shooting war starts from that end
It serves our purpose of dividing Chinese Air force and Army on Two fronts

 

[maint1234]

Nothing will happen until Trump is re elected

Trump is looking for a " Victory " against China before November 3
re election

So China will give him a Trade deal

By the Way The Taiwan front is getting hot

If a Shooting war starts from that end
It serves our purpose of dividing Chinese Air force and Army on Two fronts

Taiwan front wont get hot. Both countries are heavy weights and heavy weights dont fight. Usa also knows that incase of conflict with china , Russia will quietly support China.
And China is too practical to initiate a losing war.
Remember when the Chinese fighter jet collided with a US reconnaissance plane, and the chinese plane crashed and burned, killing the pilot. The Chinese returned the damaged American plane in a few weeks after dismantling it. But no conflict.

 

[maint1234]

Just one swift successful attack from Gogra/Hot Springs area to take over Kongka La will force PLA in full retreat.

Suppose the attack is neither swift nor successful ? And i disagree with your assessment that the Chinese will retreat.
They consider themselves the chosen ones and have no regard for lives of their soldiers. Expect a prolonged conflict on the border, a war of attrition.

 

[Hellfire]

@Falcon I wonder how the armed forces would keep themselves motivated in such situations. How do they keep their motivation even with Pakistan when they aren't allowed to retaliate hard quite often? If the rank and file are still kept motivated then it would be called brainwashing, no?

Funnily this does not affect the forces' moral, except, perhaps, in the SM and self claimed social media warriors. As long as there is no clear exit strategy/aims elaborated, soldiers are not keen in heading into an action where it results in escalation that leads to loss of lives.

It is a question of survival - at least, for me, it was about surviving the stint in combat zones and coming back in one piece as there was no war and there is no clear exit strategy in J&K's insurgency. No use being a hero or getting killed over something where you become another figure in a statistic.

Army is willing? Or they are busy plotting something "convenient" to make government look better, if at all required post Ayodhya bhumi poojan tomorrow?

Willing.

 

[Hellfire]

This was my own "flag" to see what is happening.

If we were posturing in the military direction (just posturing), one of the crucial steps would have been reduction in diplomatic staff in China. Till that happens, there is nothing military in very concrete terms.

But things do change, in a couple of hours at times.

 

[Hellfire]

So just for Restoring our Patrolling Rights RIGHT Now when we are NOT FULLY PREPARED ,will be like walking into a disaster with Eyes open

Wars are not won by Foolishness

Mr. George Fenrnandez, as the RM, clearly articulated Indian policy over who was our biggest threat.

Everything else is just a political excuse. Who leaves defences in tatters when you know your enemy and understand the need to prepare to defend?

 

[vstol Jockey]

Suppose the attack is neither swift nor successful ? And i disagree with your assessment that the Chinese will retreat.
They consider themselves the chosen ones and have no regard for lives of their soldiers. Expect a prolonged conflict on the border, a war of attrition.

The reason for my statement is that Kongka La divides the Aksai Chin in two halves and allows us to reach the rear of PLA in Depsang and also Pangong Tso and also interdict G219 completely blocking it off. No supplies can reach the Pangong Tso area if PLA looses Kongka La.

 

[maint1234]

Mr. George Fenrnandez, as the RM, clearly articulated Indian policy over who was our biggest threat.

Everything else is just a political excuse. Who leaves defences in tatters when you know your enemy and understand the need to prepare to defend?

Lethargy and chalta hai attitude.
Even after the Mumbai attacks, mumbai does not look like a city well policed. Hardly any armed policemen except a few pot bellied ones lolling around.
One would expect that 2008 would have resulted in Mumbai arming all its policemen and totally overhauling the response system.
Still dependent on the good will of the terrorists.
Similarly in the eastern sector. Everyone knows china has been pretty openly using Pakistan against us. Has been directly aggressive in the eastern sector. But we HOPE that everything will magically resolve itself.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Mr. George Fenrnandez, as the RM, clearly articulated Indian policy over who was our biggest threat.

Everything else is just a political excuse. Who leaves defences in tatters when you know your enemy and understand the need to prepare to defend?

Maybe Our TWO front Preparation is Not sufficient in The Assessment of the Govt

Or they.are waiting for a more conducive and cooperative International Environment