Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Hmm stealth bombers announcing their plans before flying over ?
Unless they drop some anti pla pamphlets on the Chinese troops, how will anyone know they were their ?
Best would be to fly slowly over the Chinese positions and then suddenly remove their invisibility cloak (they can do that). Then do a loop and scoot away.
Should be captured on video.
 
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Depsang control hinges on two roads & airfield
India’s control over the vital Sub-Sector North (SSN) in Ladakh hinges upon a newly built 255-km DSDBO road, a mud-paved airfield at an altitude of 16,700 feet at Daulat Baig Oldie (DBO) and an upcoming track from Sasoma to Saser La to Murgo.

The Indian Army has, in the past, war-gamed a scenario about the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) China, making a westward thrust into 16,000 feet high 900 sq km area, the Depsang plains in the SSN.

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On the Indian side, the PLA’s military objectives in SSN could be to threaten a section of the DSDBO (Darbuk-Shyok-DBO) road. It can attempt to cut off the DBO, which could, in turn, restrict access to Karakoram pass. The PLA could also make a bid to access the Saser La, a 17,800 feet high pass in the Karakoram mountains. This would further open a route to Sasoma and crucially the road to base camp of Siachen glacier.

For now, all such attempts by the PLA can be thwarted, explained an official. But India should not stop seeing these as long-term threats, he added. Also, it should include a scenario that PLA’s westward thrust could be timed with Pakistan army’s eastward push from across Gilgit-Baltistan in what could be a two-front war scenario for India.

The Indian defensive positions on SSN have been “built” to hold back the PLA with tanks, artillery guns and the latest systems, besides additional troops. Since May, some 8,000 troops are stationed by India in SSN to mirror the deployment of what the PLA has done.

Within the establishment, it’s known that holding onto SSN and particularly the Depsang plains is vital. For this, the DSDBO road is the crucial link. The new alignment Sasoma-Saser La-Murgo, as reported in The Tribune in its edition dated August 19, will take a while to be fully ready. For now, it’s a summer route. The 27-km walking track between Saser La and Saser Brangsa is the challenge.

In the past, consultations have been done with Swiss experts for tunnelling under Saser La. So far, the route can be used by troops. The supplies will have to come through DSDBO or get air-supplied at DBO or if needed, air-dropped at Chungtash, which is the dropping zone near Murgo, using the fleet of Chinook and Mi-17 helicopters.
 
Guys how is india's capability in manpads to bring down helios,aircrafts and drones ?
We seem to use Soviet supplies, while American stingers and their improvements have a proven track record.
Why not get manpads from USA ?
 
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Many OSINT accounts are still adamant of B2 flying close to LAC in coming days. This looks like more than someone's fantasy or fanboys going berserk. Is something unorthodox cooking behind the scene? What will be its implications on Indian foreign policy and non aligned stand?
 
Guys how is india's capability in manpads to bring down helios,aircrafts and drones ?
We seem to use Soviet supplies, while American stingers and their improvements have a proven track record.
Why not get manpads from USA ?
the question we should ask why the hell are we not even manufacturing simple stuff like basic manpads or rifles? At the rate we are buying from outside we should also outsource our security as well. We are not good at protecting ourselves militarily or economically.
 
Guys how is india's capability in manpads to bring down helios,aircrafts and drones ?
We seem to use Soviet supplies, while American stingers and their improvements have a proven track record.
Why not get manpads from USA ?
We have stingers atleast that's what wiki says. I have yet to find any official claim of its induction. We do have 200+ stingers (claimed). The iglas are also pretty good. Though we still don't have more modern manpads like verba which we could have bought but due to the strict tender rules it was not allowed to enter the competition so we are inducting new iglas sa24. The best manpad is the rbs7ng the heaviest but also with the longest range. The Pakistanis have an older version of rbs . The ng version took part in our manpad competition but lost out to the igla partially because Russian lobbying also it's a much heavier system which would have been impractical in use in the mountain regions(atleast that must be the logic of rejecting superior systems like mistral and rbs) because of the bulkiness of the system. Right now we have sa 18 iglas, stingers and sa24 iglas are being inducted (or deal may be yet to be signed ).
 
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the question we should ask why the hell are we not even manufacturing simple stuff like basic manpads or rifles? At the rate we are buying from outside we should also outsource our security as well. We are not good at protecting ourselves militarily or economically.
Rifles yes but manpads are not low tech. Modern manpads have to defeat the anti missile defenses of modern helicopters and planes.
India should import a couple of thousand of the latest manpads and deploy on our borders.
The soldiers have to be trained in aircraft recognition to avoid friendly fire incidents. They are a force multiplier against low flying drones, planes and helicopters.
 
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Please look at the two maps attached. I have marked five different areas where we have substantial number of PLA presence. The No-1 divides the two Mechnised Divisions with their associated support group and independent Brigades in two areas of responsibility. The lay of the ground is such that it lowers towards east and rises towards west which is India held Aksai Hind. The colour code shows it clearly.
Just west of Kongka La is Gogra and Hot springs area which is strongly held by India. That allows us to enter Aksai Hind plateau which is at a lower height compared to the hills we are occupying. To the east of it lies Lanak La which was an old trading post of India under the Dogra rule. If we have breakthru from Gogra area and take over Kongka La, we can split these two Mech Divs of PLA from mutual support role. We will need to use very heavy precision air/arty strikes to demolish the Brigade holding this area but if do it, it will allow us to side step to the north towards Galwan and Pangang tso which again are held by a brigade each. Our first initiative should be to go like a dagger from Kongka la to Lanak La and separate these two formations from mutually supporting eachother. The second step should be to threaten the rear of Galwan Brigade of PLA. This will ease pressure on DBO as PLA will be forced to defend the area in strength and depth. Its nearly impossible for us to make a breakthru from Galwan river side. It will be suicidal for us.
Next look at No-3. We will need to hit Pangang tso from north to cut off the Brigade in Kongka la area from Pangong tso Brigade and from south to tie them down and create a killing ground and also create a divide between Pangang tso and spanggor tso.
next look at No-4, this is needed to prevent reinforcements from Rutog to either spanggor tso or Pangang tso and cut off the southern supply route from Lhasa for Aksai Hind forces of PLA. The IA forces undertaking these offensive ops will have nearly unhindered air support as the main base for operations for Aksai Hind is going to be Hotan as is now apparant from the air elements that have been deployed there.
next look at No-5, we will need to fight a holding battle till last ditch to hold on to the territory of depsang plains till we are able to breech the G219 from south and IAF destroys the major road bridges of G219 from North. Being an ex fighter pilot myself, I am sure IAF+IN will be able to do it in the opening hours of the battle. Even if it means flying the aircraft into the target. When we fly with "must do" brief, we do it. I dont mind a strong Brigade level airborne attack to the rear of this area to create panic and confusion in enemy ranks when they feel being encircled due to action at No-2 and this airborne assault. The taking over of Kangka La will allow us to do rapid supply and reinforcements and heliborne operations against PLA in Galwan area and also threaten it to the point of extinction.
The net result of success at No-1 will be that the PLA Div and its support elements deployed in South will have only two options, either die fighting or surrender and the PLA Div deployed in North will get encircled with no support, reinforcements, supplies and they will be at our mercy. Once we go thru No-1, we can freely move to hit the international boundary as claimed in our Maps within about ten days. There will be nearly nothing to very light resistance if at all any. Please have a look at the deployment of PLA. They have completely miscalculated. They probably thought that unlike Doklam where they got surprised by us and had to withdraw, this time they can pressurise us with their surprise. Surprise is a very important part of warfare but it makes a difference only in actual battle and not in holding battles which PLA thinks they have achieved by surprising us by occupation of F4 area in Pangang Tso. They have lost the initiative and it now lies with us provided we attack first. The map below is for better understanding of my battle plan. If I have to open up the attack, I will synchronise it with PGM attacks by IAF and IA Arty for max effect in the opening salvo with TOT of the target of PGMs of both to be same to have largest number of casualties within the enemy ranks. Later we can revert to typical arty role of supporting the Inf.
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Sir,

I am very very thanksfull for such an elaborate answer on my request. I know you have done this in past as well on LSA thread as well. Please accept the respect from the bottom of my heart. I will read it again and again for understanding of this post.
 
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Nonsense, pure nonsense.
Do you know how a tank is designed and how priorities are decided regarding, crew protection, survivability, armour strength, weight and fire power? T-72 is better than the Chinese junk in every manner. Try and recollect the very old debate about heavy cavalry, medium cavalry and light cavalry. You will get your answer. In the battle between Alexander and Porus, heavy cavalry with hard hitting Indian Long Bows had tilted the scales against light and medium cavalry of mecedonians.
 
Chinese should not have killed the CO of 16th Bihar. They will loose the battle only on that account. Col. Santosh and his wife Mrs. Santoshi will ensure that entire nation gets Santosh for 1962 and everything thereafter.
 
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