Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Military option on table if talks fail: Rawat on China

The CDS, who was army chief during the 73-day military standoff in Doklam against the PLA in 2017, also dispelled the notion that there is a lack of coordination among the principal intelligence agencies.

m.hindustantimes.com

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

India, US set to hold 2+2 talks, defence cooperation pact likely on agenda amid LAC standoff

New Delhi and Washington are likely to sign defence foundational pact BECA during the 2+2 meeting that has been in the works since July.

theprint.in

 

[Jaymax]

Last and final warning is going to be given to China in the coming week to pull back to pre April status. If they do, fine, if they don't, anything is possible within 3-4 days of that.

so as per you action on the LAC is possible in the next 10-15 days

 

[randomradio]

@vstol Jockey

Turns out the missiles we bought last year from Russia were the RVV-SD and RVV-MD.

 

[maint1234]

Military option on table if talks fail: Rawat on China

The CDS, who was army chief during the 73-day military standoff in Doklam against the PLA in 2017, also dispelled the notion that there is a lack of coordination among the principal intelligence agencies.

m.hindustantimes.com

Garajte , baraste , etc...
No easy options at all.
Frankly i cant see an option in which we regain our lost no man's land.
Action would have been preferable immediately when the clash occurred, all this buildup seems defensive.
Best to incurse in some other lighly guarded part of the LAC and quickly fortify it. Use this area as a bargaining chip.

 

[Aurora]

Garajte , baraste , etc...
No easy options at all.
Frankly i cant see an option in which we regain our lost no man's land.
Action would have been preferable immediately when the clash occurred, all this buildup seems defensive.
Best to incurse in some other lighly guarded part of the LAC and quickly fortify it. Use this area as a bargaining chip.

I assume that you have the exact knowledge of deployment and posture of IA.

 

[vstol Jockey]

@vstol Jockey

Turns out the missiles we bought last year from Russia were the RVV-SD and RVV-MD.

Yes, I had told you so at that time. These missiles will be standard armament of SU-57.

 

[randomradio]

Yes, I had told you so at that time. These missiles will be standard armament of SU-57.

RVV-SD (R-77-1 = 110Km range) and RVV-MD (K-74 = 40Km, +/-60deg off-bore sight) are both export grade missiles made in the early part of the decade for Su-35 and Mig-35. Neither are suitable for internal carriage and use old technologies. Both are significant upgrades over the RVV-AE and R-73E though.

 

[shaxm]

RVV-SD (R-77-1 = 110Km range) and RVV-MD (K-74 = 40Km, +/-60deg off-bore sight) are both export grade missiles made in the early part of the decade for Su-35 and Mig-35. Neither are suitable for internal carriage and use old technologies. Both are significant upgrades over the RVV-AE and R-73E though.

So why are we purchasing old technologies?

 

[Saaho]

So why are we purchasing old technologies?

They are still a decent upgrade over 90s missile that we use (R77 or R73).

BTW, RVV-MD is by no means "outdated". I dont know if further development like k-74m or m2 are even available for export.

 

[maint1234]

I assume that you have the exact knowledge of deployment and posture of IA.

Yes.

 

[Cole_phelps]

Military option on table if talks fail: Rawat on China

The CDS, who was army chief during the 73-day military standoff in Doklam against the PLA in 2017, also dispelled the notion that there is a lack of coordination among the principal intelligence agencies.

m.hindustantimes.com

Many experts are of opinion that China is only interested in posturing and not looking for a conflict. Galwan happened by accident and thus IA-PLA agreed to disengage because real possibility of skirmish/war was through accident rather than either nation deciding to go for it. There is realization within IA also that China want to deescalate as soon as we agree to new status quo.

Before exhausting military option as CDS said (assuming it wasn't a hollow, time pass statement), we should have forces eyeball to eyeball. If neither side is risking it then it's just fight between 2 blowfish.

 

[randomradio]

So why are we purchasing old technologies?

It's not such a big problem. When I say they are old, I mean they are contemporary.

For example, the RVV-SD is similar in capability to the AIM-120C7 or Astra Mk1. So, as far as America is concerned, these missiles are outdated, but are more advanced than what PAF operates. These missiles have 30% more range than the RVV-AE and are pretty decent upgrades.

Air forces also operate a mix of old and new due to cost reasons, even the US. The US has thousands of AIM-120C7, whereas the AIM-120D is merely 6 years old.

New would be missiles that have been recently introduced or in the process of being introduced, Meteor, Derby ER, MICA NG, PL-15, AIM-260, K-77M, Astra Mk2 etc, all of them being far more advanced than the AIM-120D.

 

[HariPrasad]

Bipin Rawat said that India is ready for conflict with china. He said that forces are deployed and ready to fight.

 

[maint1234]

Bipin Rawat said that India is ready for conflict with china. He said that forces are deployed and ready to fight.

I can't take this guy seriously. Is he waiting for a green light or alarm clock to go off ?
No need to announce to the world. If you want to do something , just do it.
IA seems to have no plan for a age old problem with the Chinese incursions. Just making it up on the go. Disappointing all around

 

[noksss]

Garajte , baraste , etc...
No easy options at all.
Frankly i cant see an option in which we regain our lost no man's land.
Action would have been preferable immediately when the clash occurred, all this buildup seems defensive.
Best to incurse in some other lighly guarded part of the LAC and quickly fortify it. Use this area as a bargaining chip.

You seem to know more than a general who has more military experience than your age .

 

[vstol Jockey]

so as per you action on the LAC is possible in the next 10-15 days

May be earlier. All formations are now in their operational areas and ready to strike. We can fight and win in a two front war. The biggest shocker will come from LAC where the world thinks that India is ill prepared.

RVV-SD (R-77-1 = 110Km range) and RVV-MD (K-74 = 40Km, +/-60deg off-bore sight) are both export grade missiles made in the early part of the decade for Su-35 and Mig-35. Neither are suitable for internal carriage and use old technologies. Both are significant upgrades over the RVV-AE and R-73E though.

The ones we got are the top of the line stuff and same as the ones used by Russian AF. Trust me on this. They are not export variants or old tech stuff.

Bipin Rawat said that India is ready for conflict with china. He said that forces are deployed and ready to fight.

Die is cast and battle plans formulated. We are waiting for the last and final meeting between corps commanders. Diplomacy has ended.

I can't take this guy seriously. Is he waiting for a green light or alarm clock to go off ?
No need to announce to the world. If you want to do something , just do it.
IA seems to have no plan for a age old problem with the Chinese incursions. Just making it up on the go. Disappointing all around

Just remember this, he will never make such a statement without clearance from highest authorities of the Govt. Just a few days back, we had the meeting of three Chiefs with RM which was preceded by meeting of corps commanders with COAS. As I had written earlier we needed time to move our formations and also have sufficient fully acclimatised reserves available to deploy quickly across sectors in the high altitudes. Armed forces have given thumbs up to GOI about their readiness. Warnings are issued to avoid war and also to show resolve. CDS has done a good thing to ensure that final meeting to be held between Corps Commanders results in right moves from PLA.

 

[randomradio]

The ones we got are the top of the line stuff and same as the ones used by Russian AF. Trust me on this. They are not export variants or old tech stuff.

Yeah, I hope that's the case. Nevertheless, the Derby ER + MICA IR combo is a pretty good option for the MKI.

 

[Star Wars]

May be earlier. All formations are now in their operational areas and ready to strike. We can fight and win in a two-front war. The biggest shocker will come from LAC where the world thinks that India is ill-prepared.

Agreed, I get the feeling the entire thing was well planned from day one. OSINT handles had started heavily reporting on Chinese movements. Hence cornering the Chinese and making a face-saving exit/withdrawal very difficult. As someone mentioned here earlier. Chinese does not want a fight on their western border. They are looking for a face-saving exit.

 

[Lolwa]

I can't take this guy seriously. Is he waiting for a green light or alarm clock to go off ?
No need to announce to the world. If you want to do something , just do it.
IA seems to have no plan for a age old problem with the Chinese incursions. Just making it up on the go. Disappointing all around

One thing I did not understand that Pravin Sawhney used to say about Bipin Rawat. That he is a "Counter insurgency" expert not a China expert. This is why the Chinese keep catching us by surprise again and again. Why is the military not being ordered to take positions and different areas not controlled by the Chinese? Instead we are doing counter-deployments that will only help China. We need to do counter capturing. They want to play GO we play GO. We cannot expect them to do Chess moves when they are doing something entirely different...