Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

China exposed its fangs a decade too soon and it will cost them dearly. This standoff will be known as biggest blunder in "China's rise" history. All that wealth got into Chinese head like the saying goes; True character shows not when you are poor and weak but when you are rich and strong.

That's an underestimation though. To me it appears as though they are taking a risk prematurely, just like you, but they have the strength to compete. Within 5 years, they will have achieved significant amounts of parity with local OPFOR. And their economy has already become world-beating, ready to enter the realm of advanced nations within just 2-3 years. None of their neighbours can compete with them today, neither militarily nor economically. Within a few years they are expected to achieve global technologial parity in the civilian domain, with parity in the military domain coming up a few years after. Right now they have everything they need to compete with the US over the long run.

So the way I see it, they are pushing their underdog advantage by working towards their global dominance goals earlier than expected, instead of waiting to become as big and powerful as the US and only get called a bully after that. So this way they can play the victim card until it's too late. You can see that with the fact that the Europeans are asleep to the threat the Chinese pose even to them. They will end up having to face the Russian bear all by themselves in the near future since China's belligerence is taking away American priorities away from Russia. Also the Americans themselves are trying to push the Chinese into a corner, hence the need for the Chinese to take risks to mitigate the danger they are facing. I mean, the USN can today cripple PLAN in just a few days, a good way for the Chinese to prevent that from happening is by taking their neighbours hostage, which they are doing.

The Ladakh standoff is definitely a mistake on their part. But they only tried what worked everywhere else. And that's the risk they have been willing to take considering all of the above. Their red line isn't pissing off India though, it's America, possibly Russia as well. So they will take all other kinds of risk as long as they don't cross that red line.
 
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Yeah, a few months ago I had pointed out that one of the SCs will have to be reassigned. 1 Corps was sitting useless facing Pakistan. I Corps already has a mountain division and the converted 4th Div can be assigned the mountain role as well. Possibly our first real multirole SC.
If you remember my discussion with @Falcon, I had stated that we need a corps to safe guard central sector and the same is now being implemented. Add the ITBP to the forces on LAC, we can bring more men on border than WTC of PLA.
 
If you remember my discussion with @Falcon, I had stated that we need a corps to safe guard central sector and the same is now being implemented. Add the ITBP to the forces on LAC, we can bring more men on border than WTC of PLA.

I thought the need for the central sector was a full division, up from the brigade today.

So before we had a division in the Western sector and a brigade in Central. And that has been pushed up to 3 divisions in Western and 1 division in Central. And all of these were to be backed up by an MSC consisting of at least 2-3 mountain divisions, with 1 Corps now possibly contributing two divisions to this MSC.

I still think PLA has far more manpower. Their TMD itself is 40k strong. IIRC their total WTC strength is 6,60,000 troops.
 
I thought the need for the central sector was a full division, up from the brigade today.

So before we had a division in the Western sector and a brigade in Central. And that has been pushed up to 3 divisions in Western and 1 division in Central. And all of these were to be backed up by an MSC consisting of at least 2-3 mountain divisions, with 1 Corps now possibly contributing two divisions to this MSC.

I still think PLA has far more manpower. Their TMD itself is 40k strong. IIRC their total WTC strength is 6,60,000 troops.
I think 6.60.000 figure is wrong. They have a total of about 300K soldiers in WTC. They have major deployment in other commands including air assets.
 
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I think 6.60.000 figure is wrong. They have a total of about 300K soldiers in WTC. They have major deployment in other commands including air assets.
There's their militia too. Wonder why aren't we factoring them in especially if we're talking of our ITBP, SSB, SFF, etc joining combat as & when it happens.
 
There's their militia too. Wonder why aren't we factoring them in especially if we're talking of our ITBP, SSB, SFF, etc joining combat as & when it happens.
The militia you are talking about are more like Pak Mujahideen. But our ITBP etc are fully trained guys and not irregulars.
 
I think 6.60.000 figure is wrong. They have a total of about 300K soldiers in WTC. They have major deployment in other commands including air assets.

That's apparently only PLAGF, XMD and TMD, not the entire PLA. There's also the PLAAF, PLARF and PLASSF. Not counting their border defence regiments, PAP and Militia.

And most of our fighting strength alongside the WTC is concentrated in the Northeast with 4 corps, whereas our North facing China is now one Corps equivalent on the defensive/pivot and one Corp equivalent on the offensive, if 1 SC has been updated for mountain warfare. So even without counting their PAP and Militia, it's going to be difficult to match their numbers considering our regular forces alone barely match their XMD and TMD combined (130,000 men), let alone the 2 strike corps connected to WTC.
 
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India detains Chinese soldier at flashpoint border​

January 09, 2021

India and China have poured tens of thousands of troops and heavy weaponry into the tension zone in the Ladakh region since pitched battles in June
India and China have poured tens of thousands of troops and heavy weaponry into the tension zone in the Ladakh region since pitched battles in June

India and China have poured tens of thousands of troops and heavy weaponry into the tension zone in the Ladakh region since pitched battles in June

New Delhi (AFP)

Indian forces have detained a Chinese soldier on the disputed Himalayan frontier where the world's two most populous countries fought a deadly battle last year, the military said Saturday.

It is the second detention on the high altitude border since the pitched battles in June in which 20 Indian soldiers and an unknown number of Chinese troops were killed.

Both sides have since poured tens of thousands of troops and heavy weaponry into the tension zone in the Ladakh region, currently in the grip of freezing winter temperatures.

The Indian army said in a statement that the People's Liberation Army soldier was "apprehended" on the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control, as the border is known, in the early hours of Friday and taken into custody.

"The PLA soldier is being dealt with as per laid down procedures, and circumstances under which he had crossed the LAC are being investigated," the statement added.

Another Chinese soldier was briefly held by Indian forces in the same region in October.

India and China have disputed their frontier for seven decades and fought a brief war in 1962. The two sides blame each other for the current standoff.

The neighbors have held several rounds of disengagement talks but failed to ease the military buildup.

India's foreign ministry said Friday that the two sides have agreed to a new round of talks between senior commanders.

"In the meantime, both sides have maintained communication at the ground level to avoid any misunderstandings and misjudgements," it said in a statement.

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Radio France Internationale
 
Recce OPS? Not sure why we are always so generous about returning their captured soldiers. This is like telling them, you guys come in when you want to and that we guarantee their safe return.
we are either too accommodating or ambivalent on what our response will be. This is the second time we are doing this. Chinese are probing to check our response, I bet their behavior continue to be aggressive if we keep repeating it.