Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Three of the standoff points are located around the Galwan Valley and the fourth, near Pangong lake. The Chinese People’s Liberation Army had moved soldiers to close to these four standoff points that are seen to be an effort to stop India from upgrading its border infrastructure, particularly a 60-metre-long bridge across the Galwan rivulet and an observation post near the Pangong lake.

The Indian army has deployed reinforcements at the four standoff points without halting work on the border infrastructure work including the concrete Galwan bridge being built as part of a 255-km road to access Daulat Beg Oldie, the last military post south of the Karakoram Pass.

“Nobody can question India’s right to build roads, bridges or airfields in its own territory. The infrastructure upgrade is continuing and will not be paused in eastern Ladakh,” an Indian official said.

Ladakh stand-off: India, China continue to stand ground

: India on Thursday said it is engaged with China at the diplomatic and military levels to end a border standoff involving thousands of troops even as it tacitly ruled out any possibility of US mediation to end the face-off. The ground situation remained unchanged and neither side had lowered...
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Sulla84 said:
Pretty useless in contested air space... Not sure how effective in a CAS role..
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Probably just a show off at best. I don't see how it will be effective in a CAS role as we will also have aircraft in the air if things go south.
Not to mention AD systems.
 
Cyberspace, network, etc and space command and control in India and rest of the world perhaps already put on vigil,. That's one area which is the backbone of all communication.
US and many countries have already shown the displeasure with the Chinese. And Chinese will do whatever required be it money, military or lobby to manipulate the world.
Chinese will also try their best to gather all the support of Russia, where as British, Australian and Canadian diplomacy is already at work to take Putin in confidence.

Chinese do not actually have the sensitive technology for aircraft engines, launch vehicles and other high end electronic research , they are still very far and most of the things are copied, it every now and then they require experts from abroad and very finely they cover up by showing it as academic collaboration or some business venture. That's the reality. They have ability to manufacture but can't upgrade it without seeking technology from rest of the world. Hence they will look for all the experts around the world to work for them and complete the pending projects of high sensitivity before actually being combat ready.

Coming to Indian front, they have some what similar capacity of technology with respect to India, the only upper hand is the quantity. Even if they deploy a 40 years old cannon it will do some damage before being taken down. That's the major challenge. So rather a frontal clash, a smart work is expected from India. And once Chinese know they have began it it will be India which has to decide when to stop. Asymmetric or conventional, then the choice is with India.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
LT Gen Panag is NOW a politician like Ajai Shukla

Whatever damage was done to India's interests was done before 2014
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Its a bit complicated though.

See the pics he posted:
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This is not the LAC you see in Google earth etc...

The LAC you see is this :




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and this :


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Why?


This is because these are position after '62 war. During that, China actually attained position which she claimed in 60. If you take that definition of LAC, there is no incursion today.

Indian military uses pre war or at times Johnson line as LAC. Even our petrols are like that. Why? Because there has been an opinion among them that our political leadership is loosing the narrative and it is tending towards Chinese narrative. They feel narrative should be pre war LAC or preferably Johnson line.


LT. GENERAL PRAKASH MANI TRIPATHI (DEORIA): The question of nuclear technology
transfer or establishment of missile factory near Islamabad is not something
that we found out, it is not something that we gave to the world. It came to
us from America in the form of a simple statement saying that `we are not in
it'. Just try and imagine what would have happened if we had established a
factory in Taiwan? China would have eaten us. But we make no mention of it.
Perhaps you mentioned it, but there is no satisfactory answer on that score
and this point should have been mentioned.


There was a mention about the Line of Actual Control in the 1993
agreement and in the 1996 agreement. But now there is no mention of McMahon
line. There is no mention of the watershed principle. Now we have to manicure
the Line of Actual Control.


Kindly permit me to explain this point. The Line of Actual Control
means that the area is in dispute; it means that things have moved from the
original international border. There is a Line of Actual Control in Jammu and
Kashmir also. It means that in the area where you have control you have to
have your forces much near each other; it means that the gaps must be covered
by observation or fire. It means that you have to take various measures to
ensure that nobody else enters because the other side might come in and
control and then that would become the `line of control'. Now, we are going to
discuss, talk about and see what the `line of control' is. There is not a
single mention about the international boundary, about our stand and so on. We
are only saying, `pending final decision on these things' and such other
things.
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Saaho said:
Its a bit complicated though.

See the pics he posted:
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This is not the LAC you see in Google earth etc...

The LAC you see is this :




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and this :


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Why?


This is because these are position after '62 war. During that, China actually attained position which she claimed in 60. If you take that definition of LAC, there is no incursion today.

Indian military uses pre war or at times Johnson line as LAC. Even our petrols are like that. Why? Because there has been an opinion among them that our political leadership is loosing the narrative and it is tending towards Chinese narrative. They feel narrative should be pre war LAC or preferably Johnson line.


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I got sat images of the area you mentioned, 27th May 2020, they are around 400MB, my account is limited to 3m resolution so .8m is not available. They are of not much use. Planet Labs sucks when it comes to resolution.
 
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Saaho said:
This is not the LAC you see in Google earth etc...

The LAC you see is this :
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So, are you saying that the LAC which Nathan Ruser used ( to say that no intrusion has happened in Galwan valley), which comes from GOI ministry of environment, corresponds to China's 1960 claim line, and not India's perception of LAC.. ? That can't be the case...
 
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Saaho said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1265689180316762112

I agree. About time US and India declare Tibet, Taiwan and HK as separate countries. Open embassies in Taiwan and openly support HK and Tibet.
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That would be contrary to historical documented facts and might lead to invalidation of treaties/pacts done with British India, Tibbet administration, Chinese kingdom, and free India & PRC. Hence jingoism doesn't have place in foreign policy.
 
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AbRaj said:
Only difference is Chinese are sent in pressurised containers while Indian forces are there in the mountains since long. Deployment using helis is easy.
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Chinese delloy hans soldiers as they believe only hans are loyal while we have local ladakhis , uttaranchalis ,Tibetians , Gorkhas , Arunachalis manning the border. Thats a nice advantage for us
 
AbRaj said:
Only difference is Chinese are sent in pressurised containers while Indian forces are there in the mountains since long. Deployment using helis is easy.
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China had easy access to Aksai Chin due to highway connectivity, both from Tibbet and Hotan side. However as time passes by, India is able to bridge the gaps slowly. India do have plus point in airforce infrastructure, however capabilities should be increased both qualitatively and numerically.
 
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