Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

BlackOpsIndia said:
He is US President, whatever he says for domestic audience can be ignored but when he is talking about other countries it can't be taken so lightly.
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He is not US President. He is Trump first second third and last. He was just elected. He never became one or even realized that elections were over. He has campaigned for last 4 and a half years. Non stop. He is doing it right now too. He is a guy who never realized that he actually got elected and never switched gear.

I mean he pissed off Canada of all countries.
 
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Saaho said:
I am not talking about Tibet. I am talking about WESTERN BORDER. Tibet is quite... BIG. It borders Arunanchal in the east. In war, those eastern airbases will find it hard to support western flank AND defend against India's Eastern side airbases at the same time. Also, "airfield" does not cut it. For each sotier you need to maintain your plane, reload it. Where will it get all the arms? There is just one railway that connects Lasha and Tibet to eastern manufacturing heartland of China.

Also, Lasha is about 1500 KM from the place of conflict. That is 3000 KM to and fro. Without weapon load, Su30 has a range of 3000 KM un-refuled. Good luck maintain CAS / air-superioriy from such a distance. Also good luck host 300 fighters in those 5-6 puny bases.

Here is a map from Dokhlam conflict time that might help.
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They have three airfields around Ladakh. With ~50 aircraft each, and some regiments of SAMs, that's much more than enough to run an air denial campaign. You do not need full-fledged bases for air defence either. They can also distribute detachments to other smaller airfields and FABs.

Furthermore, the airfields at Kashgar and Hotan are in the plains (sort of), which allows the PLAAF to run even more complex missions than just air defence.

As for logistics, you can expect the Chinese to come in with the inventory necessary to operate 6 regiments of aircraft for quite sometime. Logistics is a problem for ground troops, not as much for an air force.

You should check out the before and after pictures of how much they have built up their air bases over the last 1 month. Here's one:

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Ugh.
www.businessinsider.com

China is behind on production of its most advanced fighter jet

China was thought to have built about 50 J-20s by the end of 2019, but problems with the J-20 stealth jets' engines have delayed production plans.
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J-20 entered service in 2017 and they set up a regiment back in early 2018. And now it's already mid-2020. It's obvious even that article is outdated. I bet a third regiment is being raised by now.
 
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randomradio said:
J-20 entered service in 2017 and they set up a regiment back in early 2018. And now it's already mid-2020. It's obvious even that article is outdated. I bet a third regiment is being raised by now.
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Article is from jan 2020. As I said before, J-20 does not have a working fifth gen engine. It is a fuel hungry slow unmenuverable hunk of metal, ready to be shot down by a pair of IR missiles. BTW, China had maximum rate of induction at one plane per month. From 2017 that gives you 24-30 max. This year production all over China was halted. With engine delays, it is no more than 10-15. Even those are broken.
 
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randomradio said:
Ladakh
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Near Arunanchal Pradesh. Riiiiiight! Hope they are not intercepted in the way from airbases near Kanpur.
Also, good luck flying 3000 KM for 2 minutes of air denial.

randomradio said:
With ~50 aircraft each
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Source?

randomradio said:
Hotan
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Only airbase that can do something. Couple of Agni/Brahmos will make a short work of it.

randomradio said:
They can also distribute detachments to other smaller airfields and FABs.
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Which ones? How they are going to bring in enough fuel? spares? weapons? air defences?

randomradio said:
As for logistics, you can expect the Chinese to come in with the inventory necessary to operate 6 regiments of aircraft for quite sometime. Logistics is a problem for ground troops, not as much for an air force.
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Remember, you are relocating forces. You will need to bring in supplies like spare, jet fuel (for 3000 KM soteir for just 1-2 minutes on station), weapons etc. And lets hope India does not use standoff weapons or ballistic missiles.
 
randomradio said:
You should check out the before and after pictures of how much they have built up their air bases over the last 1 month. Here's one:
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My municipal corporation works faster. I don't see any ATC tower btw.
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Kashgar
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Its a small airport not an airbase. I mean, I can aruge that Agra Delhi express way can become an airfield in an emergency. May be. but it won't help anyone achieve parity with 10-15 dedicated airbases with all facilities.



Sorry pal, China is bringing plastic knife in a machine gun fight.
 

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Saaho said:
Article is from jan 2020.
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So what? It's a Western article. Not reliable in the first place.

As I said before, J-20 does not have a working fifth gen engine. It is a fuel hungry slow unmenuverable hunk of metal, ready to be shot down by a pair of IR missiles. BTW, China had maximum rate of induction at one plane per month. From 2017 that gives you 24-30 max. This year production all over China was halted. With engine delays, it is no more than 10-15. Even those are broken.
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Even with a less than capable engine, it's more capable than a Flanker. The J-20's engine delivers 2T more thrust than the MKI while being lighter and less draggy than the MKI. Plus the Chinese have deployed far superior AAMs compared to what we have today, also cued to an AESA radar. And I'm not even counting all the new J-11Ds and J-10Cs with AESA radars and modern missiles, which are the main threat now.

You are underestimating the build rate of the J-20. The one thing they are good at is building stuff. If the J-20 began induction in early 2017, it means they started construction in 2014 at the very least. So we are now 6 years later. No chance they have built less than 15 in that time.
 
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Saaho said:
My municipal corporation works faster. I don't see any ATC tower btw.

Its a small airport not an airbase. I mean, I can aruge that Agra Delhi express way can become an airfield in an emergency. May be. but it won't help anyone achieve parity with 10-15 dedicated airbases with all facilities.



Sorry pal, China is bringing plastic knife in a machine gun fight.
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What are you talking about? There's a full squadron of Flankers sitting on the tarmac in Kashgar.
 
randomradio said:
You are underestimating the build rate of the J-20. The one thing they are good at is building stuff. If the J-20 began induction in early 2017, it means they started construction in 2014 at the very least. So we are now 6 years later. No chance they have built less than 15 in that time.
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Its one thing to build cheap plastic knick knack and another to build a fifth gen fighter -- even a fake or incomplete one.
 
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Hydra said:
There only one way to get back pok, war. The area of pok is so huge that we can't do a land swap with pak. Aksaichin also same, 40000 sqkman area which is larger than kerala
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What I am saying is if India is able to capture some important areas of Pakistan near the border in the plains like Lahore, Sialkot, Rawalpindi we can swap it for PoK! You don't swap area for area, you swap based on importance. 1 Lahore is way more important than the entire PoK.
 
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