Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[randomradio]

I dont think so that its being protected by US anymore, China may be more.

Right now, for at least another few months, still is. The US still needs to completely evacuate Afganistan, plus they need to maintain some presence. Dunno about the long term presence, but at least for a few months more.

China's protection doesn't matter as much. If the US is still protecting Pak a decade down the line, it won't matter as much either. We will be our own side by then.

Pakistan is being protected by our own inability.

Not at all. Pakistan would have ceased to exist in 1986. The US protected them that time too, especially because the SU was going down the drain. Brasstacks wasn't just some exercise.

 

[randomradio]

Wishful thinking at best to expect 2 day operation by IA and Pakistan is broken into two.

It's not. In fact, as per army sources, it will only take 24 hours for one of the SCs to reach Quetta.

2. India do not have logistic might to move double the PA resources to overwhelm them within 2-3 days

Yes, we do. Also you forget that PA armour can be taken out before they even make first contact on the ground because of the IAF.

3. India can best put their bet in war of attrition, need to go beyond 15 days for PA to feel pressure.

PA can't even fight for 3 days at the intensity we can for more than a week. The old way of a single battle lasting days is over. Now aircraft can hit moving targets. In a single pass, a flight of 4 Rafales can take out a full squadron of tanks and IFVs in a matter of seconds, a process that could take the army hours to achieve, with losses. If you take control of the air, you have enough precision munitions and aircraft to carry them, an entire army can be decimated in a single day. And the PA no longer trusts the PAF considering all the advanced SAMs are going to PA formations.

4. Its not about capturing the Pakistan land, but to keep a hold of it for long. The moment china mobilizes, India has to further strengthen the eastern flank, no matter China aggression is real or not.

That's not our plan, that's the PA's plan. Our plan is to annihilate the PA. China has nothing to do with this.

Let me tell you, its not a matter of whether China will invade Taiwan or not, its a matter of time when China feel they are fully equipped to handle all eventualities including US involvement.

Yep. I agree with that. But we do not know when that is. In the meantime everybody is underestimating the technologial leaps they have made over the last decade. Wait a few more years, they are going to activate a second shipyard for their new supercarriers and watch everybody go crazy.

 

[randomradio]

That's pretty optimistic, to say the least. If Taiwan has the will to fight then the fight will last for months, and even if Pak has the will to fight the war will last for 48 hours? But i'd rather not get into a useless debate over this.

Why so? We have armour whereas the Chinese have to cross a large water body. The situation is not the same.

Recall how quickly the Germans took over France during WW2, just 2 weeks, but couldn't cross the even narrower English Channel to invade Britain even though they had years to prepare? And we will have air superiority over Pakistan, whereas the air over Taiwan will remain contested because of the US.

 

[thinkingcap81]

Not at all. Pakistan would have ceased to exist in 1986. The US protected them that time too, especially because the SU was going down the drain. Brasstacks wasn't just some exercise.

Not disagreeing about Brasstacks, but just saying that i think that 48 hours is a very optimistic estimate

 

[thinkingcap81]

Why so? We have armour whereas the Chinese have to cross a large water body. The situation is not the same.

Recall how quickly the Germans took over France during WW2, just 2 weeks, but couldn't cross the even narrower English Channel to invade Britain even though they had years to prepare? And we will have air superiority over Pakistan, whereas the air over Taiwan will remain contested because of the US.

Good point about amphibious assaults which will be easy provided the invading airforce establishes air supremacy.

The Germans used Blitzkreig that France was not expecting. Pak knows our ideas and our capabilities and has prepared accordingly for resisting for a few days. And i don't understand why we should take the opinion of our army at face value.

 

[randomradio]

Not disagreeing about Brasstacks, but just saying that i think that 48 hours is a very optimistic estimate

48 hours for what?

 

[thinkingcap81]

48 hours for what?

Splitting single Pak into 2 X Pak as you said a few posts back.

 

[randomradio]

Good point about amphibious assaults which will be easy provided the invading airforce establishes air supremacy.

The Germans used Blitzkreig that France was not expecting. Pak knows our ideas and our capabilities and has prepared accordingly for resisting for a few days.

Amphibious assaults are not easy even if air superiority is achieved. It's because the defenders will be well-hidden and the enemy can be harrassed from both land and sea, even under water. Furthermore mines will complicate any landing. None of it is as simple as overrunning land forces with armour.

And i don't understand why we should take the opinion of our army at face value.

Er...

 

[randomradio]

Splitting single Pak into 2 X Pak as you said a few posts back.

That's the plan though. To push a SC all the way towards Quetta.

 

[SrNair]

Why doesnt IA try slicing pok peak by peak every week? If the overwhelming capacity exists.

US will interfere .Together with China and other players ,they will screw us.
Let it goes like thisfor now.
Once we reach an economical ,technological and military capability ,we can slice them without much effort

I dont think so that its being protected by US anymore, China may be more.

No we cant trust the US.
They are class one back stabbers.
All those weapons they abondon in Afghanistan especially small arms.
They know it will end up in Kashmir .Yet they didnt care because they want that situation.

 

[SrNair]

Wishful thinking at best to expect 2 day operation by IA and Pakistan is broken into two.

1. Leave aside certain sectors, IA can not march unhindered into Pakistan. However same loopholes are available to PA to exploit in retaliation.
2. India do not have logistic might to move double the PA resources to overwhelm them within 2-3 days
3. India can best put their bet in war of attrition, need to go beyond 15 days for PA to feel pressure.
4. Its not about capturing the Pakistan land, but to keep a hold of it for long. The moment china mobilizes, India has to further strengthen the eastern flank, no matter China aggression is real or not.

Let me tell you, its not a matter of whether China will invade Taiwan or not, its a matter of time when China feel they are fully equipped to handle all eventualities including US involvement.

We can .Because as per US sources , their AF will meet their fate within half day once full fledge war starts.
Once their AF out from picture .All we need to do give some Air support to IA .

But like you said there is some loop hole .
Nasr is one such a problem.

 

[Arvind]

We can .Because as per US sources , their AF will meet their fate within half day once full fledge war starts.
Once their AF out from picture .All we need to do give some Air support to IA .

But like you said there is some loop hole .
Nasr is one such a problem.

Last time we could not find a "firing solution" to even launch a A2A missile on their jets, so much of a US report.

 

[SrNair]

Last time we could not find a "firing solution" to even launch a A2A missile on their jets, so much of a US report.

Everyone situation would be very different in an all out war.

 

[screambowl]

Why doesnt IA try slicing pok peak by peak every week? If the overwhelming capacity exists.

Everything is possible. But laziness is causing the problem.

US will interfere .

What's the point of having Indians at good position there.

 

[jetray]

What's the point of having Indians at good position there.

I will tell you a fact, we are better off dealing with gora's than so called Indians in US admin. For all purpose they are technically americans and behave like one, with one difference. They are more loyal than king , will cause more damage to India to prove their loyalty and solidify their credentials as american. At no point in time will they be seen being soft on India. They will be in fore front to probe & utilize India's weakness against it. Ever heard of the saying "Familiarity breeds contempt", this is what India will get.

Of all the communities in US Indian-origin (err...americans) ppl are horrible. Every other community is vocal, strident and have better unity in fighting for their community & origin country. Even ppl from terror sponsoring countries like Iran are seen upfront asking for better treatment. But Indians are too nice ppl they only work for gora's. Lets cut the middle men out and directly deal with gora's.

 

[jetray]

Wishful thinking at best to expect 2 day operation by IA and Pakistan is broken into two.

1. Leave aside certain sectors, IA can not march unhindered into Pakistan. However same loopholes are available to PA to exploit in retaliation.
2. India do not have logistic might to move double the PA resources to overwhelm them within 2-3 days
3. India can best put their bet in war of attrition, need to go beyond 15 days for PA to feel pressure.
4. Its not about capturing the Pakistan land, but to keep a hold of it for long. The moment china mobilizes, India has to further strengthen the eastern flank, no matter China aggression is real or not.

Let me tell you, its not a matter of whether China will invade Taiwan or not, its a matter of time when China feel they are fully equipped to handle all eventualities including US involvement.

Agreed , most of the fanboys should stop this fantasy that it will be cake walk to fight a war with pakistan and occupy it.

We are better off fight a war of attrition and slowly bleed them of. This is what pakistan( or western countries) is doing to afghanistan right now. We need to cripple their military infrastructure & degrade their capacity for any rebuild. That will only happen over period of time. Every now & then we should give them some shock treatment to put them in their place.

 

[jetray]

I dont think so that its being protected by US anymore, China may be more.

US sees pakistan as a long term counter balance against India. They might be ok if we hit them but wont let them disintegrate or collapse.
There is a good reason India is hesitant to go full hog against china, if India becomes weak then they will strengthen pakistan to contain India. At the end of the day, they will play zero sum game to maintain their supremacy.

 

[HariPrasad]

I think Modi is waiting for the delivery of S-400. Once we have them, we can secure the airspace in entire North India. This will allow us to take out Pakistan easily. Once we take out Pakistan 1.5 front will be gone and the second front will cease to exist.

Even MR SAM is good one. It can hit the target within 70 to 80 km with much more kill probability than anything including S400 though in much lesser range.

 

[HariPrasad]

Getting back POK has become more important than ever before.

Explain the reasons as well.

 

[HariPrasad]

A very important part of our presentation to deal with China in Himalaya is still missing. Our Pralay missile is not getting ready. This is specifically design to be used in mountain. We have been awaiting for first test for last few years. This sort of lethargy has cost us high. Had we had 50 or more Pralay in our inventory, our position would have been much stronger.