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I think at higher altitude Pinaka's would be able to maintain if not 200km but atleast 140-160km range due to less drag during initial stages.
As far as I know, its not the range or drag which is that much of an issue. It is the accuracy. Can Pinaka reach 140-160 KM, may be. Can it hit the target at that range, doubtful.

This is why I have my doubts about even Weishi rockets and maturity of their guidance kits. The only known use (to me atleast) of WS-2 rockets at 200+ KM range was by Iranian Revolutionary guards and lots of them missed the mark resulting in massive civilian casualties. This is why I always have massive doubts about Chinese capabilities.

One possible option for India is to use Prithvi II missile with a cluster / submunition warhead for wide area destruction. Prithvi II has a range of 350 KM or so and can carry submunition warheads. Also, it is not as expensive as Brahmos.

AFAIK, the biggest use of rocket artillery is in counter artillery operation, ie taking out the artillery support of your enemy. That said, nothing prevents it from being part of sledgehammer hitting a high value target. Infact, thats how Iranians tried to use their WS rockets. In the war on mountains, terrain makes movement harder and also targetting harder too (again, I may be really wrong here due to certain specific tactics or developments @Falcon / @vstol Jockey please correct me). A lot of shoot and scoot advantage of mobile rocket batteries like WS-2 is negated and their range advantage is also negated to a degree. So, I have my doubts about what role they can play.
 
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As far as I know, its not the range or drag which is that much of an issue. It is the accuracy. Can Pinaka reach 140-160 KM, may be. Can it hit the target at that range, doubtful.

It is pretty unscientific to be "doubtful" to do a precision hit at 160 km. India has proven guidance and control seekers and algorithms designed to hit enemy satellites moving in space at 20 Mach, hit multiple enemy targets at over 6000 km with MIRVs speeding at over 4 Mach with single digit CEP and doing a precision strike moving at 3 Mach at 450 km with Brahmos.

Why would you doubt that a much slower moving Pinaka at much lesser Range cannot be steered to the enemy target? With launch, Pinaka already achieves 1.8 Mach, after that you need minute amount of fuel and fins to steer to the enemy target.
 
It is pretty unscientific to be "doubtful" to do a precision hit at 160 km. India has proven guidance and control seekers and algorithms designed to hit enemy satellites moving in space at 20 Mach, hit multiple enemy targets at over 6000 km with MIRVs speeding at over 4 Mach with single digit CEP and doing a precision strike moving at 3 Mach at 450 km with Brahmos.

Why would you doubt that a much slower moving Pinaka at much lesser Range cannot be steered to the enemy target? With launch, Pinaka already achieves 1.8 Mach, after that you need minute amount of fuel and fins to steer to the enemy target.
Doubt is not with India. Doubt is with Pinaka in the scenario being mentioned. Naturally, India has 1000s of KM range ballistic missile running sophisticated INS with sat nav correction and terminal guidance. Thats not the point. Point is Pinaka MK2 which has been tested for accuracy till 70-80 km will be hard pressed to hit its target even if it is able to fly 140-160 KM due to what ever drag etc advantage.

BTW, terminal guidance (like IIR guidance of anti sat missile, radar guidance) and navigational guidance (INS with GPS correction etc) are two different problem with two very different solutions.
 
Brahmos, Prahar and Nirbhay can match it but again cost is the factor, could be an over kill. I think at higher altitude Pinaka's would be able to maintain if not 200km but atleast 140-160km range due to less drag during initial stages.
Prhar & Nirbhay? Are these platforms are inducted? Any info on their series production. AFAIK Nirbhay project is closed on a mysterious circumstances, they neither declared it as a successful nor as a failure. Rathr they told, will be developing new long-range missile with indigenous engine.
No. Those are deployed in the plains, against Pak.

We have towed guns instead, and MGS in the future, probably.
Since we have deployed T90 in ladak, i think we can deploy K9 there.Both are having similar weight.But other parts, i dont know.
 
Not just Prahar and Nirbhay Missiles
But also Shaurya and Pralay missiles are Secretive Projects -- No information available about testing , induction
 
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Yeah right! I don't believe in all this Chinese do this and chinese do that bullshit. You know what is dumb, believing in specs without even having any single external verification of those "facts". That is the very very fundamental of "dumbness". Come back when all the great specs of Chinese wares are externally verified. Each time when a Chinese platform was subjected to external scrutiny, they fell short.

Curse western weapon makers as much as you want, but they have more verification and vouching for their weapons, because many many many countries use them and they have a combat history behind them. Till then, Ching Chong chinese are not believable. And those who take Chinese ads hook line and sinker are well... stupid.
How long you will live in denial mode? I saw someone has posted chinese has encroached around 1200 sqkm of indian territory over the years. If chinese are that much mediocre army with mediocre gears, why india didn't thrown away them?
Earlier Mirage 2000 were scrambled in response to J 11s


If that mirages are seen from skardu of pakistan, we might have crossed the 10km buffer zone of loc.
 
Point is Pinaka MK2 which has been tested for accuracy till 70-80 km will be hard pressed to hit its target even if it is able to fly 140-160 KM due to what ever drag etc advantage.

And why would you think that Guided Pinaka would not achieve its intended purpose?

In the Art of War, you do not expose your true capabilities to your enemies. Obviously, the enemy need to act with the limited knowledge of our capabilities, that is when you can bring its neck under the guillotine swiftly. Misinformation, deception, betrayal and pretension is the name of the game.
 
And why would you think that Guided Pinaka would not achieve its intended purpose?

In the Art of War, you do not expose your true capabilities to your enemies. Obviously, the enemy need to act with the limited knowledge of our capabilities, that is when you can bring its neck under the guillotine swiftly. Misinformation, deception, betrayal and pretension is the name of the game.
Because that particular product is designed to operates 70-75km range, if you fire it beyond 75km its accuracy will be compromised because its navigation is not designed to incorporate long range scenarios.
 
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And why would you think that Guided Pinaka would not achieve its intended purpose?
Guided Pinaka or Pinaka Mk2 has been tested for range 70-80 KM. If targets are at that range, Pinaka will work and hit them. The conversation was about Pinaka working at a range of 140-160 KM range due to less drag at height (I neither contest nor fully accept that range). Pinaka MK2 was never tested for that range. My point was simple, EVEN if it flies till that range(140-150) due to whatever drag reduction effect, its accuracy will be doubtful because it was never tested not certified for such ranges.

That statement was never a doubt on Indian ability to design such guidance/seekers. Just that current Pinaka MK2 is neither tested nor certified for that range in terms of accuracy. Simply, Pinaka MK2 is not intended to hit accurately at that range (140-160 KM). Lastly, obviously it does not mean a future variant cann't do that.