Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Su 30, Mirage 2000, Jaguar - however M2000 and Jaguar are our fighters of choice for ground attack role. Su 30s , mig 29s will be used to provide cover for the strike package.

Experts here please correct me if I am wrong.
Except Mig 29 which has very short combat radius due to two rd33s3 fuel guzzlers.
 
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I agree. A rapid expansion of our navy is much needed. We must possess the capability to not only defend IOR from any Chinese mischief but also to intervene in a possible conflict in SCS b/w our friends and China.
If we have good information from the USA, Aussies, Singapore, and Malaysia then we will know how many fishes are entered in our territory, and catching all those fishes will be much easier with P8I and SU 30 +Brahmos. You will also able to choke all the Chinese cargo and oil tankers. about Gwadar road... just hit a bridge or a tunnel of Chinese Karakoram highway.
 
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Buddy we are not US so we shouldt act like them.
Clearly they are posturing us to backdown. Which we will not.
Preemptive strike will be an act of war.

We bombed Kargil peaks using M2000 and Migs

That depends on the psyche.
If we show that we are ready to take China head on, there is a high possibility that China is going to have to measure it's steps. It not like acting like USA, and what does backing down mean here, we are allowing them time to build up, so in the case of an eventuality where we have to fight, we will be fighting a fully prepared army, which by the way, we allowed them to muster right at our backyard. Also, it's not like only USA has the sole right to protect the National interest and no other country can act in self defence.

If preemptive strike is an act of war, why are we not at war with Pakistan post 27th Feb 2019?

They are backed by none other than China, right?

At the end of the day, its all about heart and psyche. All we need to do is make China understand that we have the stomach for war, do they? Unfortunately they only understand the language of force, nothing else.
 
Because Pakistanis cant afford war with US. But Chinease can.
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And we are definitely no backing down


Tell me something, if they can, why have they not attacked us yet? The lull since 1967, given China's expansionist behaviour, they should have started a conflict long back with us. The problem is, it's a two way sword, they have the capability,sure, but a war would hit their economy as well and they will suffer huge casualties, and for what gains, nothing actually. Not to mention both are nuclear powers. So, it's more like pressure tactics, and bluff. It's upto us, if we want to call it or not.
 
A battle is won or lost within first few hours of its commencement. If you stand and fight, everyone will and if you run away, everyone will. In 1994, I was deployed to Ramnad as part of Op Pawan. Navy did not have dedicated soldiers to patrol coastline at that time. I was medically down after my second ejection to fly fighters but fit for ground duties. I was sent on Ty Duty to look after the coastline. We are trained for infantry role for platoon level attacks and our sailors are drawn from gunnery department who really know how to handle weapons and explosives. If you give a rifle to sailors, most will kill themselves trying to operate it. We had an encounter with LTTE led by me. And we killed seven of them and I had a bullet in my left leg which hit me thru a richochet so my leg was safe. I was given M&D-Medicine and duty and also CNS Commendation for gallantry thogh put up for NauSeana Medal for gallantry. The bullet was taken out in front of my eyes without any anasthisia or medicine. I am the only man even in the world to have got such a category after being hit by a bullet. When we recovered the bodies of LTTE guys, they had shat in their pants. This is the difference between hardcore warriors and ragtag militants. Tatti nikal gayi thee saloon kee aur woh apnay apko tigers kahtay thay.

The tactics which I used were than replicated in the defence of Srinagar airport in 2002 or so. I had put my LMG far up, barricade far down, sailors hidden and than opened fire the moment the Matador with LTTE guys broke thru the barrier. five were killed on the spot by LMG, but two of them escaped, We chased them and killed them when they tried to get into boats for Srilanka. I got a bullet wound while chasing them thru the coastline. I have never been a very good runner. I was always a sprinter but never good at running long distance and here I stupidly chose to follow the enemy on soft sand of a coast. One part of my team was chasing them thru road. They wud just turn around and fire a burst low down towards us. It went on for sometime. I suddenly felt as if someone has hit my leg with a hammer. But as my leg was in running motion, I found it fit the moment I landed it. I realised that something is wrong but had no time to find out what was wrong. We cornered them and killed them.

Even than I did not know what had happened to me. When I reached my tent and pulled of my socks, I realised the socks were full of soaked blood and I had a bullet part staring at me. The bullet was partially struck in my lower leg bone and could be seen. Eveyone laughed at me. Sir, this is the funniest thing we have ever seen. The doctor just pulled it out, bandaged it, gave a tetanus shot, medicines and cleared me for M&D.

My wife and children even today laugh at me, dad you are the funniest guy, bullet hole and no medal. But that is what we Haryani Brahmins are. Our bones have withstood the test of time. Naaz per naaz hai.


Actual Brahmins have always tried to do great for India irrespective of any monetary reward, Rishi Dadghichi, Bhardwaj, Angirasa, Vishwamitra, Shandalya, Vashisht, they have given humanity a boon of knowledge through the penance and bestowed blessing on India because India is their home. But India needs a Parshuram soon. It will also be important for Indians to make India economic power. Without that things will only get more complicated in crooked world.

If India thrashes the PLA at LAC, the world will get twisted for China. Because in the region it is only India which has capability to counter them, after Russia.
 
A battle is won or lost within first few hours of its commencement. If you stand and fight, everyone will and if you run away, everyone will. In 1994, I was deployed to Ramnad as part of Op Pawan. Navy did not have dedicated soldiers to patrol coastline at that time. I was medically down after my second ejection to fly fighters but fit for ground duties. I was sent on Ty Duty to look after the coastline. We are trained for infantry role for platoon level attacks and our sailors are drawn from gunnery department who really know how to handle weapons and explosives. If you give a rifle to sailors, most will kill themselves trying to operate it. We had an encounter with LTTE led by me. And we killed seven of them and I had a bullet in my left leg which hit me thru a richochet so my leg was safe. I was given M&D-Medicine and duty and also CNS Commendation for gallantry thogh put up for NauSeana Medal for gallantry. The bullet was taken out in front of my eyes without any anasthisia or medicine. I am the only man even in the world to have got such a category after being hit by a bullet. When we recovered the bodies of LTTE guys, they had shat in their pants. This is the difference between hardcore warriors and ragtag militants. Tatti nikal gayi thee saloon kee aur woh apnay apko tigers kahtay thay.

The tactics which I used were than replicated in the defence of Srinagar airport in 2002 or so. I had put my LMG far up, barricade far down, sailors hidden and than opened fire the moment the Matador with LTTE guys broke thru the barrier. five were killed on the spot by LMG, but two of them escaped, We chased them and killed them when they tried to get into boats for Srilanka. I got a bullet wound while chasing them thru the coastline. I have never been a very good runner. I was always a sprinter but never good at running long distance and here I stupidly chose to follow the enemy on soft sand of a coast. One part of my team was chasing them thru road. They wud just turn around and fire a burst low down towards us. It went on for sometime. I suddenly felt as if someone has hit my leg with a hammer. But as my leg was in running motion, I found it fit the moment I landed it. I realised that something is wrong but had no time to find out what was wrong. We cornered them and killed them.

Even than I did not know what had happened to me. When I reached my tent and pulled of my socks, I realised the socks were full of soaked blood and I had a bullet part staring at me. The bullet was partially struck in my lower leg bone and could be seen. Eveyone laughed at me. Sir, this is the funniest thing we have ever seen. The doctor just pulled it out, bandaged it, gave a tetanus shot, medicines and cleared me for M&D.

My wife and children even today laugh at me, dad you are the funniest guy, bullet hole and no medal. But that is what we Haryani Brahmins are. Our bones have withstood the test of time. Naaz per naaz hai.
I made a number of visit to ramnad between 2010 & 15. It was a very difficult place for us, hot humid, highly reflective white sand, no infrastructures, untidy hotels etc. Can't imagine how horrible would be in 1994 time.
Still two things are mesmerizing me, the locals still have soft sentiment towards terrorist organization ltte & prabhakar, you can even see his picture on backside of autos. Other thing is Dr APJ Abdulkalam, the great man come up from a such underdeveloped area ( actually near by rameswaram)

Regarding shat, if a normal healthy human died with full consciousness, he/she will do both 1&2.
 
Its just posturing for us to back off. Chinese know that fight between us and China will only benefit the US and the West.
This might be a distraction for actual build up for Taiwan
 
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Every country, even when distant and safe from any kind of problem with China is looking for own interests. US obviously is looking for own interests, as rise of China threatens their worldwide domination.

If US is policeman of world our policy makers are trying hard to be Homeguard of the world, power of inflicting damage almost zero unless dragged into a fight yet doing everything to create problems.

If it was Pakistan there will be non stop speeches, statements from Army to politicians. Now when things are serious all bravado is gone and suddenly we are dealing with it "maturely". When you know adversary is not easy why do you go out of your way to provoke?

All these tensions and problem in the middle of a pandemic that is threatening to wipe out a good part of your population, economy is obliterated, earthquake, cyclones, locust attack and it's barely 5 month into 2020.

Strategic thinking Nobel to policy makers, who thinks this is the right time to stand up to Chinese. When time was good these clowns had zero courage to claim what's in their map, now when condition is worst they want to liberate Tibet. Don't have what it takes to teach lesson to Pakistan, run away from fight even when attacked on Army base but they will teach a lesson to China while a pandemic wreak havoc.

What I am saying will hurt fragile ego of lot of ostrich minded people, their sovereignty, izzat, integrity will suddenly feel hurt.
 


Every country, even when distant and safe from any kind of problem with China is looking for own interests. US obviously is looking for own interests, as rise of China threatens there worldwide domination.

If US is policeman of world our policy makers are trying hard to be Homeguard of the world, power of inflicting damage almost zero unless dragged into a fight yet doing everything to create problems.

If it was Pakistan there will be non stop speeches, statements from Army to politicians. Now when things are serious all bravado is gone and suddenly we are dealing with it "maturely". When you know adversary is not easy why do you go out of your way to provoke?

All these tensions and problem in the middle of a pandemic that is threatening to wipe out a good part of your population, economy is obliterated, earthquake, cyclones, locust attack and it's barely 5 month into 2020.

Strategic thinking Nobel to policy makers, who thinks this is the right time to stand up to Chinese. When time was good these clowns had zero courage to claim what's in their map, now when condition is worst they want to liberate Tibet. Don't have what it takes to teach lesson to Pakistan, run away from fight even when attacked on Army base but they will teach a lesson to China while a pandemic wreak havoc.

What I am saying will hurt fragile ego of lot of ostrich minded people, their sovereignty, izzat, integrity will suddenly feel hurt.


This is essentially the crux of the matter that has been discussed in so many words over last year in two different threads.
I agree with your point of view that we didn't do what we could have last year (with Pakistan) and 2017 (with China).

However, this time it seems even the Chinese wants to have a showdown. It is true that the pandemic is wreaking havoc, but that is not happening in India only. This pandemic is one of the main reason why the entire world is pissed at China. Therefore, this is the opportune time to hit back at China.
Sure, we could have done with one less problem during this trying times, but as I see it, we didn't start this tension. The issue being raised i.e. DSDBO road has suddenly become a problem for China & we all know how this works with the Chinese.
So, despite the condition (world wide), there is a chance for a united front against China.
But yeah, I totally don't support the silence of the GoI regarding the matter, this silence is being treated as weakness.

I wrote the following on the exact same topic -




 
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I believe @vstol Jockey is the right person to answer this.
All these aircraft have 700 km+ range with full payload.

I made a number of visit to ramnad between 2010 & 15. It was a very difficult place for us, hot humid, highly reflective white sand, no infrastructures, untidy hotels etc. Can't imagine how horrible would be in 1994 time.
Still two things are mesmerizing me, the locals still have soft sentiment towards terrorist organization ltte & prabhakar, you can even see his picture on backside of autos. Other thing is Dr APJ Abdulkalam, the great man come up from a such underdeveloped area ( actually near by rameswaram)

Regarding shat, if a normal healthy human died with full consciousness, he/she will do both 1&2.
It was a very hostile place for Indian Forces in 1994. The locals were very strongly in favour of LTTE and they would not even let us have water from the wells. In one such case, they even attacked IN sailors and they had to open fire killing a local to save themselves. LTTE had a major transit point in that area due to this solid support of Locals and these locals used to even inform them about our movements.