Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

And that's why when I say we should ally with U.S it's should be similar to how the Chinese did it. A bait and switch tactic. Ally and get their industry and technology and develop yourselves. Our people are already slaves to urban naxals, Christianity and liberalism. So we really do not lose anything . If the U.S makes us an antagonist simply ditch them get sanctioned and make new allies. Why are we so fearful of taking risk here...

You can do that, but you have to camoflague the ally thing with something more sophisticated term like some economic group, that sounds more positive. More over a lot of things depend on US elections.
 
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What if India loses this limited skirmish and China encroaches on the land and annexes it. Will India simply let it go?

Given the location of the skirmish, it's difficult for China to win, however you define what winning is. First, their troops are not experienced in mountain warfare and on the other hand it's bread and butter for us, we hold Siachen.

So, when the numerically both sides are similar, it's the side with more experience and better training wins. We clearly have more experience.

Also, if China attacks at multiple places, it no longer remains a limited skirmish, it's a full blown war then.

Again, I highly doubt it will happen
 
To compete China you either need to steal the tech or develop at home.
I agree but most of our major tech is developed where we lack in defense tech is radars,jet engines,EW and drone tech. All of them in which U.S is the leader. The Koreans pretty much copied American technology to make their own MIC. Our economy and population is designed in such a way that we will automatically compete with the Chinese with just the right modifications.
Its more to do with economy than anything else. We are a huge developing country and we need a huge economy to survive and progress
That's why we need foreign investment and western industry manufacturing in India. More SEZ's. You also have the Koreans Japanese and Taiwanese who will happily place industries here and who already have industry presence here. Simply allow businesses to come here our economy will automatically become bigger and ban all trade unions and NGO's
You can do that, but you have to camoflague the ally thing with something more sophisticated term like some economic group, that sounds more positive. More over a lot of things depend on US elections.
Yeah the democrats are bought by the Chinese if they come to power we will be truly isolated. That's why maybe guys like Sawhney are gaga over Chinese noodles because the Chinese may have bought all the special interest groups in U.S.
 
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For one thing, this meeting is not exactly making headlines in China.
For the Chinese, Indians are pretty low on their list of priorities. In their eyes we are similar to some African nation. Which is good that they underestimate us even more than we underestimate the PLA's capabilities. Even Doklam might not be covered much Indian moves of being closer with the Americans or Australians recently are also ignored the CCP is the only one that cares what the Indian government does the regular Han awam is pretty well sheltered from this...
 
@vstol Jockey Sorry sir. It was Philippines
and Duterte and not the Indonesia who surrendered to China.
That said since the coup Indonesia was firmly in Chinease camp. Its the recent resurgence against aggressive chinesse Champaigns like 9 dash lines and capturing their islands , they made Joko Widodo change his mind and take stance against China
You posted the name correct and I understood the country you were reffering to.
 
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What if India loses this limited skirmish and China encroaches on the land and annexes it. Will India simply let it go?
You need to know a few things about war fighting. When bullets start flying and arty shells start bursting all around you, best of the guys crack up and their mind goes blank but those who have been thru such arty duals and have fired in anger and also faced real bullets, know exactly what to do and are able to hold their nerves. Bravado is very simple but actually living it is very difficult. I will want to see these so called PLA soldiers who are supposed to be armed with best weapons, holding firm and fighting a battle till last men and last bullet. Hell, they will runaway once the shooting starts and wont even turn around to see what has happened to their comrades. In 1962 we faced veterans of WW2 & Long march of 1949 of PLA. They were battle hardened guys.
 
You need to know a few things about war fighting. When bullets start flying and arty shells start bursting all around you, best of the guys crack up and their mind goes blank but those who have been thru such arty duals and have fired in anger and also faced real bullets, know exactly what to do and are able to hold their nerves. Bravado is very simple but actually living it is very difficult. I will want to see these so called PLA soldiers who are supposed to be armed with best weapons, holding firm and fighting a battle till last men and last bullet. Hell, they will runaway once the shooting starts and wont even turn around to see what has happened to their comrades. In 1962 we faced veterans of WW2 & Long march of 1949 of PLA. They were battle hardened guys.
Was it PLA which fought the WW2 for China or the army of Chiang Kai Shek??
 
it means being prepared for worst case scenario right before it even comes and make this realize to the adversary. They are crouching on your land and you are taking things like pudding. Sometimes, it seems Indians are not serious enough to protect their borders like always.
What makes you think that it is NOT prepared?
 
Was it PLA which fought the WW2 for China or the army of Chiang Kai Shek??
Both. Though the bulk of the fighting was done by the Kuomintang headed by Chiang Kai Shek. The PLA were veterans of the Long March , WW-2, the civil War & more importantly the Korean War. Most of the tactics they employed in 1962 were reminiscent of what they undertook with a great degree of success in the Korean War.
 
Was it PLA which fought the WW2 for China or the army of Chiang Kai Shek??
Do not get confused please. I meant the soldiers and the commonman who took up arms. Its the man behind the machine who matters and not the machine. Chinese fought WW2, irrespective of who was the King and majority of them joined CCP and became PLA in 1948.
Both. Though the bulk of the fighting was done by the Kuomintang headed by Chiang Kai Shek. The PLA were veterans of the Long March , WW-2, the civil War & more importantly the Korean War. Most of the tactics they employed in 1962 were reminiscent of what they undertook with a great degree of success in the Korean War.
You snatched from me my words.
 
When bullets start flying and arty shells start bursting all around you, best of the guys crack up and their mind goes blank but those who have been thru such arty duals and have fired in anger and also faced real bullets, know exactly what to do and are able to hold their nerves. Bravado is very simple but actually living it is very difficult. I will want to see these so called PLA soldiers who are supposed to be armed with best weapons, holding firm and fighting a battle till last men and last bullet. Hell, they will runaway once the shooting starts and wont even turn around to see what has happened to their comrades. In 1962 we faced veterans of WW2 & Long march of 1949 of PLA. They were battle hardened guys.

Question is for one season you can thwart them back what happens when it is long lasting how long can India sustain. India doesn't manufacture 75% of it's weaponry itself. India has to import again and then use again. Where as China can in one month double the ammo it used while confronting India and return with bigger force. How will you tackle that?

What makes you think that it is NOT prepared?

I doubt


I already mentioned it. I have read doval and listened to him a lot.
The solution doesn't lie in armed conflict it lies in mind conflict.
 
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Hello Friends

I found a nice detailed article about the Usage and Deployment of Artillery in Mountainous Terrain

It is about the Challenges and difficulties of Synchronization of Men ,Machines and Munitions in Cold temperatures and Rugged Mountainous Terrain

It has many references about India Pakistan ,Kargil and Siachen

It is A US Military Article regarding their Experiences in Afghanistan

Since Indian Army has extensive Real War experience on LOC , It would help us a Lot in A war with China
 
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Question is for one season you can thwart them back what happens when it is long lasting how long can India sustain. India doesn't manufacture 75% of it's weaponry itself. India has to import again and then use again. Where as China can in one month double the ammo it used while confronting India and return with bigger force. How will you tackle that?
A battle is won or lost within first few hours of its commencement. If you stand and fight, everyone will and if you run away, everyone will. In 1994, I was deployed to Ramnad as part of Op Pawan. Navy did not have dedicated soldiers to patrol coastline at that time. I was medically down after my second ejection to fly fighters but fit for ground duties. I was sent on Ty Duty to look after the coastline. We are trained for infantry role for platoon level attacks and our sailors are drawn from gunnery department who really know how to handle weapons and explosives. If you give a rifle to sailors, most will kill themselves trying to operate it. We had an encounter with LTTE led by me. And we killed seven of them and I had a bullet in my left leg which hit me thru a richochet so my leg was safe. I was given M&D-Medicine and duty and also CNS Commendation for gallantry thogh put up for NauSeana Medal for gallantry. The bullet was taken out in front of my eyes without any anasthisia or medicine. I am the only man even in the world to have got such a category after being hit by a bullet. When we recovered the bodies of LTTE guys, they had shat in their pants. This is the difference between hardcore warriors and ragtag militants. Tatti nikal gayi thee saloon kee aur woh apnay apko tigers kahtay thay.

The tactics which I used were than replicated in the defence of Srinagar airport in 2002 or so. I had put my LMG far up, barricade far down, sailors hidden and than opened fire the moment the Matador with LTTE guys broke thru the barrier. five were killed on the spot by LMG, but two of them escaped, We chased them and killed them when they tried to get into boats for Srilanka. I got a bullet wound while chasing them thru the coastline. I have never been a very good runner. I was always a sprinter but never good at running long distance and here I stupidly chose to follow the enemy on soft sand of a coast. One part of my team was chasing them thru road. They wud just turn around and fire a burst low down towards us. It went on for sometime. I suddenly felt as if someone has hit my leg with a hammer. But as my leg was in running motion, I found it fit the moment I landed it. I realised that something is wrong but had no time to find out what was wrong. We cornered them and killed them.

Even than I did not know what had happened to me. When I reached my tent and pulled of my socks, I realised the socks were full of soaked blood and I had a bullet part staring at me. The bullet was partially struck in my lower leg bone and could be seen. Eveyone laughed at me. Sir, this is the funniest thing we have ever seen. The doctor just pulled it out, bandaged it, gave a tetanus shot, medicines and cleared me for M&D.

My wife and children even today laugh at me, dad you are the funniest guy, bullet hole and no medal. But that is what we Haryani Brahmins are. Our bones have withstood the test of time. Naaz per naaz hai.
 
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@Saaho that is what I am talking about the war in SCS. It is simply impossible for China to consolidate enough resources for an invasion
Once they released a map marking andman as a part of china, some 15-20 years back. So they do have some interest on adaman. So we too.must be prepared for a chinese invasion in Andaman, few dedicated awacs, p81 must operate from andaman, must have MKI fleet armed with brahmos. If possible, an integrated air defense too.
 
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