Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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The problem is tge range limitation of howitzers, m777 heve mere 30-35km range. You cant take down chinese mbrls with howitzers you need use airpowers or prithvi/brahmos type missile, which is adamn costly thing. I will blame IA here for not venturing in to cheep rocket artilleries. DRDO's first artillery saw the battle 21 years ago in kargil and it was a successful. But IA didn't shown any interest in developing it further and now we are in a serious trouble.
I don't know if your rant hurts anybody's ego anymore at least not mine. Firstly our stance of being belligerent when it comes to Pakistan but not China is very much in consonance with not only common sense but strategic thinking. You would do well to read about how China dealt with US and the West when they were weak till mid 90s. Don't mistake common sense for bravado. Secondly, according to your logic we should let China intrude and stopping them is akin to provocation!!! If we just don't stand up to to the adversary now just because our chips our down, every time we would be in a soup China will nibble away territory from you. Also when was the time good to take back what is in our map? 2014-2019? Are you even aware of the defence shortcomings we face and the efforts the present regime is making to bridge that gap? I am not sure any sane country would go directly into a full blown war without incremental calibrated escalation just because an army base was attacked!
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Every country, even when distant and safe from any kind of problem with China is looking for own interests. US obviously is looking for own interests, as rise of China threatens their worldwide domination.
If US is policeman of world our policy makers are trying hard to be Homeguard of the world, power of inflicting damage almost zero unless dragged into a fight yet doing everything to create problems.
If it was Pakistan there will be non stop speeches, statements from Army to politicians. Now when things are serious all bravado is gone and suddenly we are dealing with it "maturely". When you know adversary is not easy why do you go out of your way to provoke?
All these tensions and problem in the middle of a pandemic that is threatening to wipe out a good part of your population, economy is obliterated, earthquake, cyclones, locust attack and it's barely 5 month into 2020.
Strategic thinking Nobel to policy makers, who thinks this is the right time to stand up to Chinese. When time was good these clowns had zero courage to claim what's in their map, now when condition is worst they want to liberate Tibet. Don't have what it takes to teach lesson to Pakistan, run away from fight even when attacked on Army base but they will teach a lesson to China while a pandemic wreak havoc.
What I am saying will hurt fragile ego of lot of ostrich minded people, their sovereignty, izzat, integrity will suddenly feel hurt.
In case you are watching too many Bollywood and Hollywood movies, that/s not how real-world war and strategic moves look like,
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More that cost, the range matters if you are comparing rocket artillery & normal howitzer's shell. Rocket artillery can easily go 100+ km, if chinese sources are true they can go up to 350 km.
Rocket artillery is damn cheap against ballistic missile or cruise missiles with comparable range.
Arty is the cheapest way to deliver load and PGM Rockets do the same with less number of rounds. So the difference in cost as such is not much. But Rockets can be fired far more rapidly than Arty and that makes a whole lot of difference as the maximum damage to personel on ground is done in the opening salvo. After that peronel just go into trenches. You need to catch the forces in the open and that time window is very limited. Rocket barrages can take full advantage of that small window.
This is factored in by India, as according Rawat in an interview he said, that a war with China would stretch longer, as China would deploy missile and artillery barrages first against Indian command and control centers. But, I don't know how India intends to punch back once it has absorbed first strike...
If I remember correctly, @nair or KK had shared it. Chinese person viewpoint.
How much lie will you post here. PDF is a shit. Whenever I write any comment, they bring cow piss in. They say that Modi is like Hafeez Said. I hardly find a sensible post by any pakistani there.
Why do you assume that India can't target chinese command and control centers? We have @$$ kicker missiles like Brahmos which can target vital Chinese supply lines, command centers, bridges and railway lines. We shall get lots of intelligence input from US, Israel, France, Vietnam, Japan etc. Indian army has spend a lot on logistics. This will pay off in conflict time.
I specifically remember the Remark of Dhanoa sir at the time of Gagan Shakti when he said that Indian air force hit a target 4000 km away from India by indian airforce.
One very good thing which has happened due to this stand off is that for the first time we are actually seeing a chance of two front war. We had deliberated on it but this time it is staring us in our eyes. If we have a de-escalation from this stand off, we must remove Pakistan from the equation asap. This two fronts must be reduced to just one front or rather no front at all. We had converted couple of our RAPIDS to Mountain divisions and we can do that with many more divisions once we take out Pakistan. That will act as a true deterrent for Chinese border. Irrespective of what happens to the present stand off, I foresee a very quick resolution of POK+GB and dismemberment of Pakistan. We now have an urgent and pressing need to do it.
I am also for reorganising the IA into regional set up wherein the soldiers from hills guard the hills and soldiers from plains guard the plains with a bit of cross over. This will ensure that soldiers are posted in areas which are their home states and also closer to home. This may not be the wisest Idea today but once we take out Pakistan, it may sound a very good Idea. This will also stop the flight of people from hills to plains and we will have our chinese borders better manned.
I am also for reorganising the IA into regional set up wherein the soldiers from hills guard the hills and soldiers from plains guard the plains with a bit of cross over. This will ensure that soldiers are posted in areas which are their home states and also closer to home. This may not be the wisest Idea today but once we take out Pakistan, it may sound a very good Idea. This will also stop the flight of people from hills to plains and we will have our chinese borders better manned.
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Thanks to living in lala land of chest thumping Indian kids have become so dense that they think China is not already encroaching our land and best time to stand up to China is when you can't even control situation at home.
No sir I am not, please enlighten the lesser mortals about those massive efforts to bridge the gap. Do tell us how many of those plans are materialized and platforms inducted. Please do make a comparative table of assets available in 2014 and 2020 also in 2008. I am waiting.
Oh I forgot this gem.
Should I read this with "Chinese are at gate you want us to hide like cowards?"
So what Pakistan dropped multiple bombs on us, it's all good, we should deal with it maturely.
350 km mbrl shall be useless particularly in mountain region. Moreover, they will be highly inaccurate even in plane region to that distance. Even if we consider 1% error, they will miss the target by a good margin. MRRL are not made for such a large distance.
Our pruthvi missile with 150 to 350 km range with 500 to 1000 kg payload can be much more useful here as they go very high before strike and hence can be used in mountain unlike 350 km MBRL. This will be a great chance to use those pruthvis which we are going to retire. In absence of pralay, Brahmos will be our trum card. Brahmos shall be like a sniper shot against mbrl f automatic rifles shots of MBRLs.
Our pruthvi missile with 150 to 350 km range with 500 to 1000 kg payload can be much more useful here as they go very high before strike and hence can be used in mountain unlike 350 km MBRL. This will be a great chance to use those pruthvis which we are going to retire. In absence of pralay, Brahmos will be our trum card. Brahmos shall be like a sniper shot against mbrl f automatic rifles shots of MBRLs.