There are two ways to do it. Either take them out with a hammer or take away their purse.
For now, it appears the govt is actively pursuing the latter, while readying the hammer at the same time.
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There are two ways to do it. Either take them out with a hammer or take away their purse.
For now, it appears the govt is actively pursuing the latter, while readying the hammer at the same time.
Won't work for two reasons.
One, the PAF can protect itself by hiding. They did it in 1971 and they will do it again in 2021. You can only force them out by running tanks over them. Underground hangars cannot be effectively attacked from the air. This plan will work out only if the PAF actually puts up a fight, which is unlikely to happen after the first few hours.
Two, even if the entire PAF is destroyed, for the Chinese the entire PAF is just a 3-year production run. The PAF can get back to 200+ jets in a handful of years.
Hopefully the spymaster is doing what he is supposed to do rather than advising on elections.
Before the start of hostilities, you need opposition key personnel neutralized. The command is still very human, you start removing individuals from the equation, the ranks crumble instantaneously. Rest use your imagination.
That's easier said that done. Killing the chain of command requires nukes for started.
If you have been observing ,
Post Feb 2019 , Pakistan has been very hesitant to escalate against India
So we will have to literally declare war
And that brings in its own pressures from UN and OIC
The constant attacks by Indian Army on their positions has taken away all of their Ghazwa fantasies
Where will we find our Casus Belli
The Ghazwa fantasy is still strong within the Pakistani populace. Those who are relevant gave that up back in the 70s.
We do not need a reason to take back PoK, everybody knows it's ours.
If you may recall my earlier posts on this subject, I have all along maintained that this is the best time to take out Pakistan. China has no guts to fight us on LAC once the snow cover increases. If we take out Pakistan now, we will never have a threat from China as we would have eliminated 1.5 fronts by taking out Pakistan. The Indian Abduls will walk with their tail between their legs and so will the librandus.
I fully agree with what has been tweeted by @Falcon.
I fully agree with what has been tweeted by @Falcon.
Nothing going to stop them from their fantasies .It will be there and will do every hook and crook to achieve.
You are right.Pakistan is hesistant to escalate.
Because their usual rants about nukes is not easy .Even they are sure about it .
Second thing is the circumstances.
Under current circumstances , they knows India wont invade them.But a half day staright missile strikes will give totally destroy them.
Our economy can withstand that.But their economy wont .And there is no guarantee in their own weapons .They themselves knows it.
Unless we are at least 8 trillion economy we cant take aggressive nature .
So our aim should be keep them under pressure through non conventional ways .
Common Pakistanis are not our enemy but their corrupt elite are.
Not easy at all.
If India has at least 8 trillion economy we could have agree with it .
Its all about the power projection.
If we invade , Chinese will throw their 15 trillion$ back to Pakistan and will play peace messiah with power and diplomacy.Entire world will turn against us.
Our chance is an opportunity.
An opportunity Pakistanis must hand over in a plater .Another Ops Chenghiz Khan like that .
I was able to understand the mentality of Pak when I see the PDF.
They are very curious about the events in India.
You know some law and order issue in a district in Kerala is a matter of subject for them.
Honestly still I dont know anything about their Khyber area or events in there.Nor I waste my time to search in internet.
But those people are ridiculous
Ajit Doval is a strategist , a brilliant one no doubt .But that doesnt mean he can play in politics.
Politics is entirely different.
Amit Shah and Modi's political strategy was radical even before the Ajit Doval comes to the picture.
Their ops to overthrow Congress from Gujarat in 80s was famous.
They sincerely believe South India wants to break away from North India. Hence the interest in South India.
Taking PoK is all well and good, but can we keep it? The population is 4.2 million. Assuming even 1% of the locals take up arms against us, we're talking about 42,000 armed militants. It's proximity to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa means foreign terrorists and weapons can be smuggled in easily in large numbers before the border is secured. Building a fence will take some time. Assuming they can get in 20,000 well trained terrorists, ISI operatives and SSG commandos for training local militias, we're going to have a big problem. Air power and armour might need to be used, and the government cannot be concerned about PR and optics if they want to keep PoK. And with the new pak border, Kashmir valley and PoK combined, we'll need well over 500,000 (?) troops to combat threats.
I think we need to take the initiative and resort to unconventional warfare. There will be people on both sides of the spectrum and in the middle in PoK. Against India and Pakistan respectively. Use the lessons learnt with the failed LTTE experiment and get things right this time. And get the PoK leadership on our payroll. They can be made to accede to India, when Pakistan has enough to worry about internally and in PoK as well, and cannot sustain the costs or manpower involved with preventing the accession.
I'd like to hear your opinion on this @Falcon , sir. @vstol Jockey @Milspec, your inputs would also be much appreciated.
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The problem with the population in PoK is they will become a problem after we take over the region. The situation can turn into an insurgency after major combat operations are complete. Also, I believe the problem will come from outside PoK and not from within PoK. Since there's no fencing or surveillance available right after we take the region, we are going to see a lot of infiltration and indeed a lot more fighting. This is in fact what will make the entire exercise extremely expensive, both money and men. Bringing about any kind of normalcy to the region will take a decade or more, even with a proper outreach program for the local populace, winning hearts and minds.
There's also the question of money. It's difficult to say if we can occupy hostile land with our current financial strength.
One advantage is there will be a significant amount of population displacement, where people will leave PoK to Pak at the start of the war. So we can make use of that by not allowing them back in.
Another major advantage will be in the field of surveillance, robotics and infantry modernisation. In the course of a decade, the world will experience a major RMA when it comes to infantry technology. Wearable sensors, integrated comm systems, HMDS, aiming assistance, smart ammo etc in the electronics field. And in the biomechanical field, we may see the use of exoskeletons, heavier rifles, BPJs etc that an ordinary assault rifle will not be able to defeat. And the infantry will be able to call on indirect fire support from IFVs. So an insurgent will not be able to fight against a future soldier, and technology will play a massive role in reducing the effect of insurgencies.
As for supporting an insurgency within PoK, I don't think that's advisable, since we have to take care of the insurgents after we have taken over PoK. If we discard them, then they will turn against us, and the biggest problem will be their local PoK roots which will gain them both local and international sympathy. Pak learnt that the hard way. Plus, it will allow the PA to concentrate forces in PoK, which we will also have to fight. We have to be clean in PoK. Rather we need to support insurgencies elsewhere, like the TTP and BLA, which will force the PA to distribute their forces and thin them out. It's easier for us to run an insurgency from Afghan soil than from Indian soil. Funnel money towards the right areas and the local forces will take care of it on their own. Unfortunately, the govt has not shown any inclination towards actively supporting an insurgency inside Pak.
I had heard during 90s most of them wven dobt know South Indian states are part of India .
They dont know South Indians.When their ancestors were totally effed up in front of Arab and Central Asian invaders ,it was the South Indian Kingdoms like Chalukya that routed the Arabs from our region.
They came and dropped inside our military vase, i fear its a proper escallation.
Yes, taking it is easy, maintaining it is hard part. Even pakistan knows that well. The entire pakistan region along with afghanistan as always been unstable throughout the history. You are right we need to fight a battle of attrition and slowly erode them out. In fact if we look at afghanistan thats what pakistan did to destroy them by supporting proxies instead of attacking them. We can learn a lesson or two from that.
Attacking pakistan is not only financially expensive but also will end up uniting them and bringing focus back on us. We should let them sink in their radicalism it wont take much time for them to equalize with afghanistan.