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No, I don't. However, I believe that the treatment that is given to Jadhav’s mother and wife is shameful.
Exactly !No, I don't. However, I believe that the treatment that is given to Jadhav’s mother and wife is shameful.
No, I don't. However, I believe that the treatment that is given to Jadhav’s mother and wife is shameful.
Madame.
In what way? Making them change? And why not? A security measure to prevent an ELINT operation? Although I can accept that a RF detector would have done just as well along with a Jammer.
Because pak is a real issue because people and soldiers die due to their actions and because they might become an amplified threat due to China. I don’t understand this why are we always talking about them argument. Because they really are a problem.
Sir.
I abhor any reference to peasants. You are one who has been called leftist and here you are insulting the proletariat. Are you sure you are a left leaning liberal, who are often maligned for justifiable and unjustifiable reason?
I say justifiable as D Raja is one who actually is an abhorrence to a Left ideology with his claiming that caste considerations are a part of Indian elections (true) and supporting Rahul Gandhi's raising of the same in recently concluded elections in Gujarat.
Unjustifiable in certain cases as the criticism loses teeth in face of the academic credentials of those criticizing, leading me to suspect a case of jealousy/lack of self confidence more than anything else.
Sir.
What are your comments on regionalism being mainstreamed in day to day life in the varied Indian states as opposed to a mainstream program of unifying on a singular platform?
What do you think of identification as South Indian, North Indian and North-East Indians (being bandar for everyone not from there)?
Pakistan is not obsessing with us, their army is whipping up the bogey to consolidate their power. Yet in any Indian forum, Indian media, you find an obsession in comparing with Pakistan.
Our venerable members have, here itself, spent more time celebrating so called victories over Pakistan, whereas the question arises as to how we, as a nation, have failed to disengage ourselves from the question of Kashmir for 70 years now?
What do you think has a greater impact on Indian security, it's focus and it's thrust at nation building? Pakistan's supposed obsession with India or our own issue which need greater public discourse and exhaustive investigation to reach an informed conclusion?
Sir.
The post is so generalised that I can make an equally equivocal statement : Sun is to blame.
Things other than making them change:
They were asked to remove their mangal-sutra, bangles and bindi(s).
The shoes of the wife of Jadav's were not returned to her after the meeting.
The Pakistani press was allowed on multiple occasions to approach family members closely, harass and hector them and hurl false and motivated accusations about Jadhav.
Madame.
A pin strike with polonium tipped pin from say, an ear ring, or a slice of tetrodotoxin (2 mg suffices) or even weaponised Paralytic Shellfish Toxin, would remain a primary concern.
Would that not be a justified action of a person accused of terrorism, caught with false documents proved to be forged and clearly being denied by India as being in employment of the Government of India?
There are statuettes that dictate the handling of a scout and a spy, the former being in military uniform and latter being in civil clothes, during wars, as per the Hague and Geneva Conventions of 1907 and 1909 ( I maybe wrong for the dates).. The latter case, that of a spy, is on 'thin ice' with respect to rights.
Similarly, for peacetime, while there are no explicit and clear legal treatises, the convention was summed up by Oppenheim in 1905 when he said:
"spies are secret agents of a State sent abroad for the purpose of obtaining clandestinely information in regard to military or political secrets. Although all States constantly or occasionally send spies abroad, and although it is neither morally nor politically and legally considered wrong to send spies, such agents have, of course, no recognized position whatever according to International Law, since they are not agents of States for their international relations "
If you were to take your attention to the last segment, '....since they are not agents of States for their International relations', that translates into 'non state actors', a term fashionable nowadays and quite frequently used by our neighbour to try and absolve itself of responsibility of acts carried out at it's behest.
In that case, what rights are extended to a 'non state actor' accused of waging a war against the host nation?
If we were to examine further, what are your views on the body cavity search conducted by our own troops in Kashmir in 90s and still undertaken for specific VIP screening, of people we call our own citizens?
I shall wait for your views here.
I'm afraid you have found me out, and called me to account very effectively. I am not now, and I never was a leftist. Liberals are not leftist; they are rightists masquerading in disguise to sow confusion in the ranks of the ultra-rightists, and that is why, because of the relative positioning, we seem to be leftists. It's all a matter of perspective.
I am an agent for the Swatantra Party. Our party had decided at that time (for security reasons, I can neither identify the time exactly nor the place exactly) to put all its leaders to hibernate under chemically suitable conditions until awakened by chemical combustion applied by a heroic figure of the opposite sex. The time has come and I am about to set out on my multi-leg, (meaning many segments, and not meaning the ultimate peepshow) air trip to wake up all my absent leaders with the help of an agent, two agents, one for the holding down of the leader, one to administer the antidote.
Raja, like me, was asked to infiltrate the CPI. you will notice our ages are identical. He did a brilliant job, and is rumoured to have been selected to destroy a few, identified caste-based parties. In spite of your threat to extract my teeth without local anaesthetic, a singularly futile threat due to my lack of teeth, I must refuse to give you any clue to these parties. At best, I can say that he is learning wrestling.
Sir, I regret to say that you have not understood the quintessential nature of our polity. The academic credentials of those criticising automatically entitle them to leadership positions in online defence fora posing as fascists affiliated to the one great organisation in the sky. It is not an intellectually challenging role. Once they have qualified there, and our agents are trained to a hair, even more, sometimes, they are trained to a moustache, they are moved up to social media, to send in false flag tweets against Mohammed Kaif, thereby preparing a climate of opinion for him and against his critics. From there, their onward progress is clearly defined. I am unable to tell you where our agents are, but you probably see them every evening, informing people that India wants to know. Over a period of time, we know that even the pure right will be revolted and shift uneasily to the left, a bit, and we shall be waiting.
I hope you have noticed my own contributions to the cause. Considering my character and temperament, my instructions have been to exude a thick air of arrogance and condescension, and, if possible, do some overly moral grandstanding, so that people from Administrator up are revolted and join the Extreme Right. There, of course, they are easy pickings for our recruiters for the Swatantra Party.
In view of my frank confession, I may kindly be permitted bail to go and see Star Wars: The Last Jedi.
They would have allowed sindur instead of bhindi. Only women whose husbands are dead do not wear a bhindi or sindur. This gesture is offensive to the lady.
Secondly, they were not allowed to speak in their mother tongue, his mother do not know other languages.
Third, they should have given new sarees, not the salwars.
Fourth, in the agreement Pakistan said there will be no press. But press are allowed to abuse the two helpless ladies.
Removing Mangal sutra is not a good gesture as well.
People who watched all these things are getting the message that Pakistan is trying to change the very culture and customs of these helpless ladies.
Indian cross-LoC firing provided 'non-state actors' cover to plant IEDs: Foreign Office - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Its funny how they cover up an Indian strike with the "non state actor" phrase.
If IED really killed them, then IA fingerprints are all over it. Remember the raid after the beheadings few years ago...
Fair enough, a regiment is usually allowed to take its own revenge. Still, damn proud of our Sikh brothers.
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1. I'm not a fan of how regionalistic India is, and I believe it often fosters infghting and disunity with negative consequences. But at the same time, India is so damn unique with so many different varieties of people, cultures, languages etc that it was always likely to be a somewhat loose, relaxed arrangement. But I do wish that all Indians, kept their regional pride intact on one side, but didn't let it become arrogance and didn't put it ahead of the fact that we're all Indians. And on that note, I would also like to see some sort of future arrangement where these regionalistic parties (SP, BSP, RJD, TMC, AIADMK, DMK etc) don't get to contest in national elections and play kingmakers; and even more so that they do not get "veto" power when it comes to the country's foreign policy.
2. It's true that Hindu India was used as a bogey and an imaginary external threat to rally Pakistan behind the Army and ISI, but I definitely still feel that through a deep sense of hatred and contempt, and a burning desire to take back Kashmir and eventually wipe us out, the Pakistanis are in fact obsessed with us; just my viewing of the situation. I also totally agree on the point about Indian Media, Indian Media seems to only know 2 extremes; either it is blatantly to the left, or alternatively it's one of those "commando comic" channels as they're called with their big shout-match "debates" and embarrassing, under-informed, boastful hosts.
3. The main "Indian obsession" that you discuss on forumns, I'd say, is more about punishing Pakistan for its constant scheming and dastardly acts, than some sort of greater obsession with the country. If tomorrow the LOC could be made the permanent border and India & Pakistan completely disengaged from each other, I think most Indians would be satisfied to go about their business and probably wouldn't think about Pakistan again. Anyhow, we have bigger fish to fry now in the form of China.
4. We haven't failed to disengage from Kashmir; we have been left no choice. Pakistan wants all of Kashmir, and that's just the appetizer. Add to that the fact that even the section of the Pakistani military that isn't ideologically obsessed with capturing Kashmir knows, that if there is peace between India and Pakistan, then they will start to become irrelevant and that without the India bogey they will be subject to scrutiny by their own people. So we have basically been forced to keep playing this game in Kashmir, and I am of the opinion that Pakistan will keep making us do this until it destroys itself in its eternal quest to destroy us.
5. We definitely have our own internal issues to solve, but that doesn't erase a very significant external, existential issue for our country in the form of Pakistan; an entity whose very basis of creation is a hatred and contempt for Hindus, secularism and India, and an entity which is ideologically convinced of its religious, racial and cultural superiority and committed to our destruction/subjugation. And remember that when Armies of Islam fight someone, they fight in absolute and eternal terms, it then becomes a conflict all the way to the apocalypse; this is the Islamic mindset (add to that the hadith about Ghazwa e Hind). And we are so lucky that we have a neighbor armed with this mindset, who has a decent amount of military power, and nuclear weapons to top it all off. We may have a million internal issues, but that is an incredibly significant threat to our existence no matter which way you look at it.