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Very stealthy the missile under the wings....
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
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The US military is quietly talking about a new hybrid fighter jet that could kill the F-35
Alex Lockie 31 Aug 2018, 16:27
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The F-22's development started in the 1980s, when computers took up much more space. That didn't stop Lockheed's engineers from building a 62-foot-long, 45-foot-wide twin-engine fighter jet with the radar signature of a marble.
The F-22 even kicked off a new category of fighter. Instead of air superiority, like the F-15, F-22s wear the crown of air dominance, as it can dogfight with the best of them or pick them off from long range before it's even seen.
The F-35 benefits from stealth in much the same way, but with a smaller frame, smaller weapons loadout, and a single enigne, it mainly works as shorter range missions with a focus on hunting down and destroying enemy air defenses, rather than aerial combat.
The F-35 can do this much better than the F-22 because it's got newer technology and compact computing and sensors all around it.
So Lockheed has proposed, as Defense One reported, putting the F-35s brains, its sensors and computers, inside an F-22 airframe for an ultimate hybrid that would outclass either jet individually.
Instead of a sixth-generation fighter — a concept that the US has earmarked hundreds of millions for and which strains the imagination of even the most plugged in military planner as the world hasn't even adjusted to fifth generation fighters — why not combine the best parts of demonstrated concepts?
"That can be done much, much more rapidly than introducing a new design," David Deptula, a retired Air Force lieutenant general who now leads the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, told Defense One.
But what seems like a giant windfall for the US, having on hand two jets that could be combined into the best the world's ever seen, could actually upstage the F-35, which has only just now started to make deliveries to US allies.
The US will spend a solid trillion dollars on the F-35 program, and will export it to NATO and Asian allies, but while the jet solves a lot of problems around modern air combat, it's not a one-size-fits all solution.
In that way, an F-22/F-35 hybrid could preserve the best parts of both jets in a new and powerful package that could put the US miles beyond anything its adversaries can touch, but in doing so, it could kill the F-35 before it even gets a chance to prove itself.
The US military is quietly talking about a new hybrid fighter jet that could kill the F-35
Alex Lockie 31 Aug 2018, 16:27
- Lockheed Martin has been pitching the US Air Force a hybrid between the F-22 and the F-35.
- The F-22 is the world's best air-to-air combat plane, and the F-35 has the best sensors and abilities to knock out air defenses.
- Combining the two would create a jet much better than either one individually.
- But by creating an all-around better jet could kill the market for the F-35, which has just started to come online and is the most expensive weapons system in history.
The F-22's development started in the 1980s, when computers took up much more space. That didn't stop Lockheed's engineers from building a 62-foot-long, 45-foot-wide twin-engine fighter jet with the radar signature of a marble.
The F-22 even kicked off a new category of fighter. Instead of air superiority, like the F-15, F-22s wear the crown of air dominance, as it can dogfight with the best of them or pick them off from long range before it's even seen.
The F-35 benefits from stealth in much the same way, but with a smaller frame, smaller weapons loadout, and a single enigne, it mainly works as shorter range missions with a focus on hunting down and destroying enemy air defenses, rather than aerial combat.
The F-35 can do this much better than the F-22 because it's got newer technology and compact computing and sensors all around it.
So Lockheed has proposed, as Defense One reported, putting the F-35s brains, its sensors and computers, inside an F-22 airframe for an ultimate hybrid that would outclass either jet individually.
Instead of a sixth-generation fighter — a concept that the US has earmarked hundreds of millions for and which strains the imagination of even the most plugged in military planner as the world hasn't even adjusted to fifth generation fighters — why not combine the best parts of demonstrated concepts?
"That can be done much, much more rapidly than introducing a new design," David Deptula, a retired Air Force lieutenant general who now leads the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, told Defense One.
But what seems like a giant windfall for the US, having on hand two jets that could be combined into the best the world's ever seen, could actually upstage the F-35, which has only just now started to make deliveries to US allies.
The US will spend a solid trillion dollars on the F-35 program, and will export it to NATO and Asian allies, but while the jet solves a lot of problems around modern air combat, it's not a one-size-fits all solution.
In that way, an F-22/F-35 hybrid could preserve the best parts of both jets in a new and powerful package that could put the US miles beyond anything its adversaries can touch, but in doing so, it could kill the F-35 before it even gets a chance to prove itself.
The US military is quietly talking about a new hybrid fighter jet that could kill the F-35
Lockheed Martin Has a Big Idea for the Air Force: Merge an F-22 and F-35
Lockheed Martin Has a Big Idea for the Air Force: Merge an F-22 and F-35
Lockheed Martin is reportedly pitching a new version of the stealthy F-22 Raptor airsuperiority fighter to the United States Air Force. But the new Raptor variant would not simply be a rehash of the original F-22, instead this new derivative would replace the original jet’s avionics and mission systems with hardware from Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
Lockheed Martin Has a Big Idea for the Air Force: Merge an F-22 and F-35
Lockheed Martin is reportedly pitching a new version of the stealthy F-22 Raptor airsuperiority fighter to the United States Air Force. But the new Raptor variant would not simply be a rehash of the original F-22, instead this new derivative would replace the original jet’s avionics and mission systems with hardware from Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
Report: Netherlands looking at nearly doubling the size of its planned F35 fleet from 37 to 67 jets
Well, no way to spin this negatively.
Indeed. But it's only a nice intention so far. Let's see.
Of course, there is still a long way to go, but even intentions hold strong signs of where the wind is blowing.
In France we say there's a long trip from the cup to the lips.
Just to say that the growing budget of nethersland is not sufficient to double the fleet + for more soldiers + ....
Defensie investeert in mensen en middelen
The US military is quietly talking about a new hybrid fighter jet that could kill the F-35
Alex Lockie 31 Aug 2018, 16:27
USAF
Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter has cost more money than any weapons system in history, but a bright new idea from the same company could see its best bits gutted and slapped into the world's deadliest combat jet: The F-22.
- Lockheed Martin has been pitching the US Air Force a hybrid between the F-22 and the F-35.
- The F-22 is the world's best air-to-air combat plane, and the F-35 has the best sensors and abilities to knock out air defenses.
- Combining the two would create a jet much better than either one individually.
- But by creating an all-around better jet could kill the market for the F-35, which has just started to come online and is the most expensive weapons system in history.
The F-22's development started in the 1980s, when computers took up much more space. That didn't stop Lockheed's engineers from building a 62-foot-long, 45-foot-wide twin-engine fighter jet with the radar signature of a marble.
The F-22 even kicked off a new category of fighter. Instead of air superiority, like the F-15, F-22s wear the crown of air dominance, as it can dogfight with the best of them or pick them off from long range before it's even seen.
The F-35 benefits from stealth in much the same way, but with a smaller frame, smaller weapons loadout, and a single enigne, it mainly works as shorter range missions with a focus on hunting down and destroying enemy air defenses, rather than aerial combat.
The F-35 can do this much better than the F-22 because it's got newer technology and compact computing and sensors all around it.
So Lockheed has proposed, as Defense One reported, putting the F-35s brains, its sensors and computers, inside an F-22 airframe for an ultimate hybrid that would outclass either jet individually.
Instead of a sixth-generation fighter — a concept that the US has earmarked hundreds of millions for and which strains the imagination of even the most plugged in military planner as the world hasn't even adjusted to fifth generation fighters — why not combine the best parts of demonstrated concepts?
"That can be done much, much more rapidly than introducing a new design," David Deptula, a retired Air Force lieutenant general who now leads the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, told Defense One.
But what seems like a giant windfall for the US, having on hand two jets that could be combined into the best the world's ever seen, could actually upstage the F-35, which has only just now started to make deliveries to US allies.
The US will spend a solid trillion dollars on the F-35 program, and will export it to NATO and Asian allies, but while the jet solves a lot of problems around modern air combat, it's not a one-size-fits all solution.
In that way, an F-22/F-35 hybrid could preserve the best parts of both jets in a new and powerful package that could put the US miles beyond anything its adversaries can touch, but in doing so, it could kill the F-35 before it even gets a chance to prove itself.
The US military is quietly talking about a new hybrid fighter jet that could kill the F-35
This is what LM is proposing for Japan as well.
It's all well and good, basically a modernised F-22, but it needs to be bought in significant numbers if it has to be cost-effective. But this will take time, and using the F-35's current avionics will keep this new F-22 behind by quite a bit by the time it becomes available. LM probably believes the F-35 will get even more cheaper with this program.
The USAF is better off going for the new PCA. The F-22 airframe is too old for the fight against China.
Y’all are misunderstanding me. I care more that a partner wants to order more than if they actually order more.
Also Dutch are coordinating with the Canadians on this so it reflects well for the Canadian contest.
7, 8 and 9 touched down at Ørland Air Station earlier today (21 September, 2018
! The RNoAF should have 12 total by year's end.
! The RNoAF should have 12 total by year's end.
even if they doubled their force (highly unlikely, politically and financially), they would still be Waaay under their original target...
Lately I've seen a lot of news on the F-35 and its deployments across the globe and I've become a little numb to it. Sometimes I forget that the F-35 is a fifth gen fighter and when I think about it, I'm blown away by the massive capability jump for these nations. The Netherlands and Norway, for example, are replacing/augmenting their fleet of F-16As (block 20 I think?) to an aircraft that is so far advanced, none of their adversaries can really match it. If the Eurofighters and Rafales werent enough, what does the F-35 do to the security calculus of Russia? This headache will probably extend to China with Japan and South Korea deploying these jets, not to mention to the upcoming F-35Cs to be deployed by US carriers in the region. Israel already bombs surrounding nations whenever they see fit, but now they can really bomb any nation in the Middle East with impunity. Forget about China, Russia and Iran having no answer to it, their own 5th gen programs are nowhere near as advanced.
Perhaps I've drank the koolaid a bit too much, but from an engineering perspective it really is a game changer.
Perhaps I've drank the koolaid a bit too much, but from an engineering perspective it really is a game changer.
There's nothing strange about it.
The US pioneers some new tech, then there's a 10-year gap, then the Russians will come up with more or less competitive models and then both sides will proliferate their tech all over the world for money and influence.
Of course of course, I was really just nerding out over the technical aspects of the aircraft compared to its rivals and existing countermeasures. The realization that NATO and its allies are actively deploying the F-35 with no real response to it just yet got me a bit riled up is all.
Also with regards to 5th gen planes, I could see the Russians being the main source of anti-stealth SAMs and such given their confidence and reputation in the field, but the Chinese are probably better positioned to be the "not-western" flavor of planes right? They have two models with one already inducted. They also have a much more advanced drone program as well as a massive industrial capability to build and upgrade their planes. This is assuming that the rest of the world opts for 5th gen planes and doesn't just skip to 6th gen or whatever the security meta evolves into.
The Chinese only have more programs. But, right now, the Russians have the better tech.