Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

The Chinese only have more programs. But, right now, the Russians have the better tech.

I'm sorry if this isn't the right thread for it but could you briefly go over the advantages the Su-57 has over the J-20/J-31 that make it more compelling in the 5th gen marketplace?

I do have a reason for my doubts.

I know the Russian jet will have better performance (maneuverability, high speed performance, etc) and will probably have better avionics, but aren't the Chinese airframes better designed by placing more emphasis on RCS reduction? My thoughts were that the Chinese planes would be more stealthy and (likely) much cheaper than Russian counterparts and would thus sell better. Isn't the main selling point of 5th gen fighters to reduce RCS? If raw performance is all that is desired then Su-35/Mig-35 or whatever Chinese counterpart exists would certainly be cheaper to purchase and operate. I know that the Su-57 is supposed to be designed to better combat Western fighters by using a fusion of different radar bands and the like, but is that really a viable strategy for countries purchasing from China/Russia? Most nations would only purchase a handful of these aircraft like they currently do (India excluded because it is frankly an exception). Planes like the J-20 seem to be more focused on long range strikes using stealth and would therefore be more likely to conduct successful strikes on carriers or airbases.
 
I'm sorry if this isn't the right thread for it but could you briefly go over the advantages the Su-57 has over the J-20/J-31 that make it more compelling in the 5th gen marketplace?

The Su-57 has more stealth, better performance, better electronics, better engines and bigger IWBs. It's superior in every way.

The ACM himself said the Su-57 has superior stealth compared to the J-20.
 
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Today was a great day for the F-35B: first combat mission, first landing on British aircraft carrier, and also, let's not forget, first crash.

F-35B military plane crashes in coastal South Carolina

BEAUFORT, S.C. -- A military plane crashed in coastal South Carolina on Friday, authorities said. The Marine Corps said the pilot of the single-seat aircraft ejected safely.​
The Beaufort County Sheriff's Office said the crash was reported about 11:45 a.m. near the Grays Hill community. The plane was an F-35B. CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports that this marks the first crash of the U.S. military's newest and most expensive aircraft. On Thursday, the Marines announced the aircraft's first use in combat in Afghanistan.​
In a statement, Marine Corps Capt. Christopher Harrison said the pilot was being evaluated by medical personnel. No civilians were injured, Harrison said.​
The plane belonged to a Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501 (VMFAT-501), stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, which is about 4 miles from the crash site.​
Authorities asked people to avoid the area.​
The cause of the crash was under investigation, Harrison said.​

Fortunately, nobody died in that accident, as the pilot ejected safely.
 
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Lately I've seen a lot of news on the F-35 and its deployments across the globe and I've become a little numb to it. Sometimes I forget that the F-35 is a fifth gen fighter and when I think about it, I'm blown away by the massive capability jump for these nations. The Netherlands and Norway, for example, are replacing/augmenting their fleet of F-16As (block 20 I think?) to an aircraft that is so far advanced, none of their adversaries can really match it. If the Eurofighters and Rafales werent enough, what does the F-35 do to the security calculus of Russia? This headache will probably extend to China with Japan and South Korea deploying these jets, not to mention to the upcoming F-35Cs to be deployed by US carriers in the region. Israel already bombs surrounding nations whenever they see fit, but now they can really bomb any nation in the Middle East with impunity. Forget about China, Russia and Iran having no answer to it, their own 5th gen programs are nowhere near as advanced.

Perhaps I've drank the koolaid a bit too much, but from an engineering perspective it really is a game changer.
the capability jump is exponential indeed from those ageing old 16s
 
the capability jump is exponential indeed from those ageing old 16s
The problem is that they do not know what more capable 4.5 gen aircrafts can do. E.g. in an interview, dutch were absolutely bluffed by the use of J-messages by "fifthe gen" for air to ground. They kinda forgot thatboth Typhoon and Rafale already have this capability. New "Gen" aircraft depends a lot on what you previously had.
 
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The problem is that they do not know what more capable 4.5 gen aircrafts can do. E.g. in an interview, dutch were absolutely bluffed by the use of J-messages by "fifthe gen" for air to ground. They kinda forgot thatboth Typhoon and Rafale already have this capability. New "Gen" aircraft depends a lot on what you previously had.
that is true it depends a lot upon what you owned previously , even a 4.5 gen plane would be a huge jump for people flying early block 16s
 
From a US Blog.

Too nice.

BEAUFORT, S.C. — The Pentagon is hailing the first successful crash of an F-35 fighter in South Carolina, sources confirmed today.

Though officials cautioned that they were still hoping for a successful crash under combat conditions, the downing of an F-35 out of Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort is yet another historic feat for the $115 million aircraft, officials said.

The pilot ejected and was being evaluated by medical personnel and the F-35 program office for insight into whether officials could credit the pilot or Lockheed Martin for the aircraft hitting its most recent milestone. The crash came just one day after a different F-35B conducted its first combat strike in Afghanistan against an important enemy weapons cache of AK-47’s and RPG’s, costing the Pentagon only about $150,000 in spent munitions and aircraft flight hours.

“Just as the F-35 secretly outperformed the A-10 in a close air support role in the past, this aircraft has shown it is far better suited at crashing than the F-16,” said Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn Hewson.

The crash was considered by the Marine Corps as a “total loss” of the aircraft. Military analysts have also used that language to describe the F-35 program’s budget.

The Pentagon intends to buy more than 2,400 of the jets at a cost of the military budgets of China and Russia combined, or $406 billion.
 
The problem is that they do not know what more capable 4.5 gen aircrafts can do. E.g. in an interview, dutch were absolutely bluffed by the use of J-messages by "fifthe gen" for air to ground. They kinda forgot thatboth Typhoon and Rafale already have this capability. New "Gen" aircraft depends a lot on what you previously had.
F16 is a low end "4 gen". Dutch F16 were among the first produced, and despite MLU remain far from very modern plane.
 
What a big carrier for just 2 F35.

Even with 12, there will be a lot of space for Tennis, Basket, Volley... I think british navy sailors will be hard to beat in these sports thanks to these big carriers.
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Beautiful. And we are concerned IAC-1 lift cant fit in a single Rafale :unsure:

I thought that was addressed already? Anyways, at this point, I'm afraid the 36 flyaway Rafales we bought might be the last Rafales purchased. We should have wrapped up a deal for local production of ~150 for the IAF and INAA long ago; now it might be too politically dangerous to buy any more of them.

Not to mention the (likely) intense US pressure to pick their planes for the remaining tenders.
 
I thought that was addressed already? Anyways, at this point, I'm afraid the 36 flyaway Rafales we bought might be the last Rafales purchased. We should have wrapped up a deal for local production of ~150 for the IAF and INAA long ago; now it might be too politically dangerous to buy any more of them.

Not to mention the (likely) intense US pressure to pick their planes for the remaining tenders.

And rightly. At the end of the day SCS is directly in India's interest. China fails to grab that the entire string of pearls is shattered right off the bat. No need to worry about it.

SCS is literally fighting over China's containment. If the USA is able to contest there, China's economic lifeblood is always in threat.
 
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