Meanwhile China puts Muslims in concentration camps, which is less likely to backfire in the Middle East???
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You haven't touched on the elephant in the room - Iran. China has deeper ties with Iran than it does with any country in the Persian Gulf or the wider ME region which is the primary security concern of the UAE & the larger GCC. Contrast that with the US.Meanwhile China puts Muslims in concentration camps, which is less likely to backfire in the Middle East???
Both Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Imran Khan, tireless defenders of Europe's oppressed Muslims, find that what China is doing in Xinjiang is Cool and Good. Turkey even signed an extradition treaty so all the Uyghurs who thought they could find refuge in the land of their Turkic cousins are getting sent right back into the panda's maw.Meanwhile China puts Muslims in concentration camps, which is less likely to backfire in the Middle East???
So yes, it is a lot less likely to backfire.
So you don't include Pakistan in the "wider ME region"?
Every Paxtani worth his salt considers himself to be a person from the ME. If you don't believe me ask maamu aka @safriz
Alas!! The world sees them as part of the Indian sub continent including the Chinese, the US, EU, the ME, etc which has led Paxtanis to reconcile themselves to their fate. They're now a people from the ME temporarily inconvenienced by residence in South Asia.
Perhaps @Nilgiri can explain it better. He's plenty of experience explaining empathizing & finally condoling with Paxtanis on their predicament out on P-D-F.
Because Erdogan and Imran Khan represent all that is commonsense.
POLICY BRIEF: Nordic Airpower Cooperation and Finland’s F-35 decision: Towards a New Era? | NUPI
Finland’s F-35 decision enhances the airpower collaboration between the Nordic states.
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POLICY BRIEF: Nordic Airpower Cooperation and Finland’s F-35 decision: Towards a New Era? | NUPI
Finland’s F-35 decision enhances the airpower collaboration between the Nordic states.
Weird article. It's all over the place. 'Cause what the article argues about can be done with Gripen as well, as the article states with respect to Sweden.
The Finnish have simply made the best decision for themselves, irrespective of how well suited it is within NATO. They simply got lucky the F-35 is as cheap as it has been claimed to be, if not even this jet wouldn't have passed the gate checks.
I always say having the opposite opinion of Putin, Erdogan, Pooh Bear and Trumph, is generally good.
Dollar Lira agrees.
A topic best left to have 10 more years unfold.
Bharat must look to itself and other countries ahead of it....and take serious lessons and apply solutions (we are still lacking immensely).
That is more important than trying to psycho-analyse clear lost causes.
Whilst at the same time, copying the F-22 and F-35. Claiming the next Dassault plane will be stealth. You know, the thing they now claim is obsolete.
La furtivité ne sera pas le principal atout du futur avion de combat du programme européen SCAF
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)Stealth will not be the main asset of the future fighter aircraft of the European SCAF programme
Several images, surreptitiously released by Dassault Aviation and openly by the French Ministry of Defence, give an idea of what the "New Generation Fighter" [NGF] could be, i.e. the fighter that will be at the centre of the Future Air Combat System [SCAF], a programme led by France, in partnership with Germany and Spain.
The conditional tense is indeed appropriate insofar as, for the moment, we are at the study phase. And many things are likely to change between now and 2040, when this future aircraft will enter service. For example, the absence of drift is 'unlikely'. This is what an aerodynamicist explains in the special issue published by Science & Vie on the occasion of the upcoming Paris Air Show.
"Removing the fin or fins is good for stealth. But it comes at a high price in terms of manoeuvrability," says the expert. Indeed, a combat drone can be flown at an angle of incidence of 12 or 15°, whereas a fighter-bomber must be able to climb to more than 45°, Science & Vie points out. And the vectorial thrust will be insufficient [the Su-35, which is equipped with two drifts...] as will the control via so-called "crocodile" control surfaces, which would be insufficient for such an aircraft.
In any case, there is no question of "betting everything on stealth", assures General Philippe Lavigne, Chief of Staff of the French Air Force [CEMAA], in an interview given to the magazine Air & Cosmos.
"It is important to understand that we must be strong in all areas. It is necessary to develop high stealth. This does not mean that we will focus on stealth. If we are better at jamming, saturation and transmission, we will be better in the end than our opponents. No one can say today what the state of the art technology will be in 2040 or 2060. The studies carried out in recent years will enable us to make progress in this area. And we must continue to do so," explained General Lavigne.
This also applies to the V-MAX hypersonic glider [for Experimental Manoeuvring Vehicle], the development of which was announced by the Minister of the Armed Forces, Florence Parly, in January. As for stealth, the work that will be carried out will make it possible "to identify the interest that we could have in holding this type of effector, but also to understand what defences we must put in place to counter this threat", the Chief of Defence Staff specified.
As for the NGF, it will be a "vector capable of receiving a large quantity of information [...] useful for winning the 'war of opportunities', i.e. engaging the most appropriate means when there is a gap in the enemy's system: an aircraft, a missile, a drone or something else", General Lavigne stressed.
And, more generally, the SCAF, which will network several types of aircraft, will above all have to be able to detect enemy threats [particularly stealthy ones, thanks to infrared] and "jam and saturate enemy air defences", which could be done, says the Chief of Defence Staff, by "swarms of drones".
During a recent hearing at the National Assembly, General Lavigne had also stressed the importance of "being able to seize the slightest opportunity, to fight against the stealth of certain equipment and to fight against the length of certain enemy missiles. To this end, he continued, "drone-type equipment that can fly into enemy lines and recover information" could be used.
Moreover, with regard to stealth, the Chief of Defence Staff recalled that an aircraft "is stealthy when we are face to face, but when we manage to get behind it, we are able to recover its heat and therefore its infrared signature.
What's interesting, from the Indian perspective, is that out of all the air forces in the world today, only the IAF has the greatest amount of information available from all potential sides. Right now, there are only three major aerospace forces left that make fighter jets from end-to-end, US, Russia and France. Of the three, the IAF has a very thorough understanding of where the French and Russians will be in the next 20 years, whereas they at least have some idea where the F-35 is as well. Interestingly, the IAF's opinion in public is similar in view to that of the French CDS.
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He's too stupid to understand $1 trillion+ is for the entire 40 + year program and that it does fly according to over a dozen nations.
And why the hell should tax payers should pay their student debt? Hell no I says.
And why the hell should tax payers should pay their student debt? Hell no I says.
You're right. I can't see any stealty design in the picture you put up. It's almost a carbon copy of the Rafale.
The F-35 is a computer, with a plane wrapped around it. Loyal wingman drones are flying now. Not in 2045, IF France's partnership can stay together. They did so well last time
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To those interested this is an appraisal of the JSF carried out by the DOT&E from the annual report 2020 . All those claims , fancy , tall & otherwise , of the JSF can be verified here along with that of every other system of the US armed forces.
Block 4 / Continuous Capability Development and Delivery (C2D2) Progress
- The current development process used by the F-35 JPO and Lockheed Martin, that is supposed to provide new capabilities and updates in 6-month increments, is not working. It is causing significant delays to planned schedules and results in poor software quality containing deficiencies.
- The current C2D2 process has not been able to keep pace with the scheduled additions of new increments of capability. Software changes, intended to introduce new capabilities or fix deficiencies, often introduced stability problems and/ or adversely affected other functionality. Due to these inefficiencies, along with a large amount of planned new capabilities, DOT&E considers the program’s current Revision 15 master schedule to be high risk.
- The JSF program continues to carry a large number of deficiencies, many of which were identified prior to the completion of System Development and Demonstration (SDD) in April 2018. As of October 2, 2020, the program had 871 open deficiencies, 10 of which were designated Category 1. Although initial development in Block 4 has focused on addressing deficiencies while developing some new capabilities, the overall number of open deficiencies has not changed significantly since the completion of SDD due to ongoing discoveries of new problems.
- The program continues to plan for a greater dependence on modeling and simulation (M&S) in Block 4 than was used during SDD and, as such, must establish internal processes to aid in the development and enhancement of the associated M&S capabilities. However, as of the writing of this report, very little change in the laboratories and simulation venues has occurred or is currently programmed.
- Testing the planned new Technical Refresh (TR)-3 avionics configuration will further strain the program’s limited test infrastructure (i.e., aircraft and labs). Software sustainment and capability modifications of both TR-3 and legacy TR-2-based aircraft will continue to be a concern, including the high cost and multiple hardware configurations of fielded aircraft, many of which will require updates and upgrades for years to come. The use of the F-35 JSE will continue to be a critical part of an adequate evaluation of F-35 Block 4 combat capabilities. As such, the F-35 JPO must continue work to align F-35 JSE VV&A with the C2D2 process to ensure that the JSE is able to be accredited for test and used for training with every 6-month release. Currently, during detailed test planning for each 6-month drop of capability, there is little activity to align collection of open air flight test data for use in VV&A of Block 4 capabilities in the JSE.
- As proven during IOT&E, adequate evaluation of Block 4 capabilities will require the continued use of Open Air Battle Shaping (OABS) instrumentation and Radar Signal Emulators (RSE).
- OT aircraft will be needed to support both developmental and operational test requirements. Modifications to these aircraft must be funded, scheduled, and completed just after developmental test (DT) aircraft modifications to enable integrated DT/OT, DT assist, and relevant mission-level testing of future capabilities. However, as of this report modifications to OT aircraft are not funded, nor on contract to be able to support DT, let alone accomplish required OT mission-level evaluation.
The result is :
-A Rafale 100% made in France and now a real export success.
-A EF2000, made by a specialist of left wing, another for right wing, a third for some part of frame and the last to produce the rest. The whole without export hope now.
France made the good choice.
Except you will have the same problems next time round. You will have to work share with the partners.
Rafale "optimised to be average."Whilst at the same time, copying the F-22 and F-35. Claiming the next Dassault plane will be stealth. You know, the thing they now claim is obsolete.
Dassault "striving to be obsolete."