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5G or F35?The U.S. poses multiple-choice questions to the UAE, but it causes the Middle East to turn its attention to China

2021-12-21 21:29 HKT

The UAE has suspended negotiations on a package of arms sales with the United States, which includes an order for 50 F-35s.
As a reliable ally of the United States in the Middle East, why is the UAE so abnormal? It even directly pushed down the F-35 fighter's gold order, which is an unattainable opportunity for many countries.
In fact, in such a situation, the responsible party is not in the UAE, but forced by the United States!

First, the issue of arms sales should not have been involved in politicization and instrumentalization, and the United States intends to use these methods to require the Arab side to comply with some weird requirements that have nothing to do with arms sales.

For example, the United States has often threatened the UAE with the Yemen issue, followed by the Chinese threat and the 5G issue, in order to put pressure on the UAE as a precondition for arms sales.

Take this batch of F-35 orders as an example. The United States first asked the UAE to lower the level of strategic cooperation with China on the grounds of "protecting fighter jets from leaks by Chinese spies."

Immediately afterwards, the United States made a strong proposal to require the UAE to dismantle domestic 5G signal equipment before the delivery of the first batch of fighter jets, that is, within 4 years.

What is even more annoying is that to remove these equipment, the United States will neither pay nor provide equipment to replace it. Just a word of mouth is to let the UAE build a 5G local area network.

In this way, it is like "the clay figurines all have three points of anger." In the face of the long-term unreasonable pressure from the United States, even if the UAE shows weakness, these conditions are flatly unacceptable!

What's more, everyone knows the purpose of China's 5G network, especially the United States. China has no intention to steal any secrets. The reasons given by the United States are pure nonsense!

As for the goal of this move by the United States, let's make a simple analysis. It is certainly not easy!

1. With the breakdown of the US technology monopoly over China, China's 5G technology, new energy, artificial intelligence and other fields have achieved new developments all over the world.

The United States believed that it could no longer contain China technically, so it almost began a series of political measures to force its allies to stop using scientific and technological measures against China.

Attempt to weaken China's technological advantages from the entire ally system!

2. Since the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, the United States has greatly weakened its control in the Middle East, and there have been many blank areas. However, it does not want the Middle East to hand over to China and Russia. The United States has always maintained a state of "wish to go and stay". .

In addition, the UAE is China's second largest trading partner and largest exporter in the Middle East, and the United States is even more worried.

As a result, the United States has arbitrarily turned the Middle East into a new battlefield for the Sino-US game, and will not take into account the interests of regional allies in the slightest.

The UAE has naturally become the first target of the U.S. operation, and a multiple-choice question posed to the UAE-is it 5G or F-35?

The above two purposes both exposed the phenomenon that the United States is now turning to attack its allies for its own benefit, indicating that it is already difficult for the United States to settle in the Middle East!

Similarly, this time the UAE categorically rejected the unreasonable demands of the United States, which marked a breakdown in the relationship between the U.S. and Arab allies. It also shows that the current Middle Eastern countries have a sober concept and are unwilling to become the victims of major powers, and are unwilling to stand on the sidelines between China and the United States. !

Needless to say, in this turmoil, we have clearly seen the new policy stance of the Middle East countries:

one. Pay attention to the diversification of diplomatic strategy, which is the survival guide for small countries.

two. Discovering the true nature of the United States is no longer a reliable ally.

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Three. With alternative options, turn your attention to China.

Speaking of it, the United States is undoubtedly "lifting a rock and hitting itself in the foot" when the United States has caused this turmoil. Not only has it failed to produce results, it has further pushed the Middle East into the embrace of China.

The U.S. must be very surprised when it sees the UAE's counter-strike. It has no practical measures for a while, and obviously has not realized the seriousness of the problem.

Taking this opportunity, China can immediately start liaison with the Middle East region and further consolidate the ties between the two places. By then, we can see the bitter face of the United States.
TBH, political relations with the ME has caused the west nothing but problems for decades, and with oil consumption now being usurped by EV and hydrogen I'm not particularly bothered whether they start causing problem for China instead. I'm sure China will be a reliable ally. :ROFLMAO:
 
MGBT? Modest Gays Bisexuals and Transvestites? Is that the 100% French alternative?

You seem to know a lot about queer acronyms ,Paddy. Pray , do tell us how ?
Says the EU state of France. This is the crazy think here. You have to pay the EU money every year and do what they say, yet you accuse the UK of belonging to the US, even though we pay them nothing and have completely independent law-making and government.
Yup. UK is completely independent. Back in the day when W decided on the invasion of
I raq who do you think he turned to ? Tony the poodle. What does the Aukus consist of ? A tributary system with US as it's head & UK the chief minion now eager to partake of the spoils of the Aussie sub tender i.e subject to the US's nod .
 
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TBH, political relations with the ME has caused the west nothing but problems for decades, and with oil consumption now being usurped by EV and hydrogen I'm not particularly bothered whether they start causing problem for China instead. I'm sure China will be a reliable ally. :ROFLMAO:
You were the one saying there's nothing of value in the ME. If only your foreign office had followed your lessons the ME wouldn't be in the mess it is in today . Nor would the world be where it is what with green house warming & climate change brought about mostly due to the energy policies framed in the US & it's poodle London.
 
And he knocked out the F-35 in the UAE :ROFLMAO:
So sad that an old man like you who likes to boast how smart he is has reduced himself into believing a delusion because the F-35 has mentally exhausted you.

Where to begin... first of all there was no competition and second your french plane didn't knock out the F-35. Your plane has never knocked out the F-35 but the F-35 has knocked out your plane. :)

F-35 is being used by sleepy Joe Biden as ransom... Get rid of chicom 5G or no F-35 for you!

Swiss and Finns have made it clear to the world that your plane is not only inferior to the F-35 but it's inferior to the F-18E. Choke on that... metaphorically speaking of course.
Shut up please.
Umm... No.
 
Where to begin... first of all there was no competition and second your french plane didn't knock out the F-35. Your plane has never knocked out the F-35 but the F-35 has knocked out your plane. :)
And I suppose you go around all the forums repeating the same thing, HOPING that your sales wish will come true, but unfortunately for you, you will be disappointed and it will become more and more obvious that it was indeed the Rafale that knocked out the F-35 in the UAE for definitively, you who are oblivious to the seriousness of the situation for once again believing in hope instead of facts.
 
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The sale of the JSF to the UAE has been witheld only because of Israeli opposition.

There's been more the UAE saga then Israeli opposition, Huawei or 5G though (Israel's feeling no doubt have been a contributor). Swiss investment tie-ups with China weren't the problem since the Swiss are still firmly in the US-European camp. In the UAE that's been a major issue though as the US seeks to stem China's entry into Africa and the Middle East. The UAE's increasing military ties with China were want concerned the Americans and prompted tech control fears. The UAE does have a history of playing both sides. The US was already irked over a port agreement between China and the UAE and the UAE operating Chinese UAVs and buying more Chinese military equipment. Also given the change in US administrations and a less cavalier approach to the UAE was a given versus what we saw during the Trump Administration. This is just the US trying to say "No" to selling the F-35 without overtly saying it. It's an out if they don't want a sale or a chance to enact harsher terms if they do.

Frankly the UAE shouldn't have been offered the F-35 in the first place.

you will be disappointed and it will become more and more obvious that it was indeed the Rafale that knocked out the F-35 in the UAE for definitively

Yeah, no. That didn't happen. The US withdrew its intent to sell the F-35, but still may if the UAE accepts its conditions. The sale of the F-35 has been on hold since the change in US administrations in January. The Rafale deal was 20 years in the making.

"This deal is not considered as an alternative for the forthcoming F-35 deal, it is rather a complementary deal ... as we develop our air force capabilities," Alawi said, adding the UAE had for some time been looking to replace its Mirage fleet.

Politics, not performance.
 
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There's been more the UAE saga then Israeli opposition, Huawei or 5G though (Israel's feeling no doubt have been a contributor). Swiss investment tie-ups with China weren't the problem since the Swiss are still firmly in the US-European camp. In the UAE that's been a major issue though as the US seeks to stem China's entry into Africa and the Middle East. The UAE's increasing military ties with China were want concerned the Americans and prompted tech control fears. The UAE does have a history of playing both sides. The US was already irked over a port agreement between China and the UAE and the UAE operating Chinese UAVs and buying more Chinese military equipment. Also given the change in US administrations and a less cavalier approach to the UAE was a given versus what we saw during the Trump Administration. This is just the US trying to say "No" to selling the F-35 without overtly saying it. It's an out if they don't want a sale or a chance to enact harsher terms if they do.

Frankly the UAE shouldn't have been offered the F-35 in the first place.

In that case , how do you view Chinese relationship with Iran , arguably the single biggest security threat the Arab states in the Persian Gulf perceive with whom the Chinese are deeply invested in much more than the Arab states & I'm not referring only to defence ties here .

UAE may well be playing both sides but since the Trump administration & now Biden there's a growing suspicion which's now been almost confirmed that the US isn't too keen on playing security guarantor to these Gulf Arab states anymore .

Yeah, no. That didn't happen. The US withdrew its intent to sell the F-35, but still may if the UAE accepts its conditions. The sale of the F-35 has been on hold since the change in US administrations in January. The Rafale deal was 20 years in the making.

Politics, not performance.
 
Yeah, no. That didn't happen. The US withdrew its intent to sell the F-35, but still may if the UAE accepts its conditions. The sale of the F-35 has been on hold since the change in US administrations in January.
But the UAE has made it clear that they will never accept these conditions. It was the US that started the talks but it was the UAE that stopped them with a refusal.

UAE told the U.S. it will suspend talks on F-35 jets -Emirati official


The Rafale deal was 20 years in the making.
No it was 12 years in the making, and the sudden success of these negotiations is quite unexpected and a slap in the face to the US. The declarations surrounding these decisions are not politics, but diplomacy.
 
And I suppose you go around all the forums repeating the same thing, HOPING that your sales wish will come true, but unfortunately for you, you will be disappointed and it will become more and more obvious that it was indeed the Rafale that knocked out the F-35 in the UAE for definitively, you who are oblivious to the seriousness of the situation for once again believing in hope instead of facts.
Baaahahahaha! Man oh man you really are delusional, huh? You frechies really do believe there was a fighter competition in UAE between F-35 and french plane and that F-35 lost to the french plane, eh? Wow.

It's a good thing UAE announced french plane purchase before the Finns selection or you and the other fanboys at airdefense would be in some mental asylum right now. Btw what are you frechies waiting for at airdefense when are you going to post about India fining Duhssault?
 
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No it was 12 years in the making, and the sudden success of these negotiations is quite unexpected and a slap in the face to the US. The declarations surrounding these decisions are not politics, but diplomacy.
The UAE are still begging for the F-35, they are just saving face. The US have conditions on sales that have to be met.
France has the morals of an arm dealer. The conditions for a sale, is enough money. They'd even sell to both sides. Is there anyone France wouldn't sell too?
 
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Baaahahahaha! Man oh man you really are delusional, huh? You frechies really do believe there was a fighter competition in UAE between F-35 and french plane and that F-35 lost to the french plane, eh? Wow.

It's a good thing UAE announced french plane purchase before the Finns selection or you and the other fanboys at airdefense would be in some mental asylum right now. Btw what are you frechies waiting for at airdefense when are you going to post about India fining Duhssault?

India imposes penalty for offsets delay in Rafale fighter Deal
  • Ah Ah ah !!! less than € 1 million to MDBA
  • 56 offset contracts already inked by MOD
  • 50% of € 7.8 Billion to be discharged, so $ 4.4 Billion
  • $ 3.7 already discharged and $ 13 Billion to be discharged until 2027
You can tell Boeing that they should try to do as well for their P8 offsets :ROFLMAO:
The fine has been “imposed and collected” from missile-maker MBDA, which is the weapons package supplier for the Rafale jets manufactured by Dassault Aviation, in the mega contract inked by India in September 2016, top defence sources said on Tuesday.
 
The UAE are still begging for the F-35, they are just saving face. The US have conditions on sales that have to be met.
France has the morals of an arm dealer. The conditions for a sale, is enough money. They'd even sell to both sides. Is there anyone France wouldn't sell too?
The interests of France are not the interests of the USA, as we have clearly understood with AUKUS, so we have no reason not to sell to the UAE. As for selling to both sides, this is a speciality of the USA, which sells to Pakistan and India at the same time.
 
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Pentagon Can’t Say When Lockheed F-35 Will Finish Combat Testing


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Pentagon officials still haven’t set a date for Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35, the costliest U.S. weapons system, to complete the final 42% (42%, piece of a cake !) of mission testing to determine whether it’s up to countering the top Russian and Chinese air defenses and fighters.

The F-35 was supposed to fly one month of testing in a highly advanced simulator last December, the latest delay since the original goal of 2017. But that was postponed yet again by unresolved technical problems in the “Joint Simulation Environment” test facility"

never ending story.
 
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It is never ending, when you repeat 2 month old known stories. Trolling with clickbait headlines is another term. They have finished the sim they were waiting on and are finalising the final tests before full production. They don't have a final date. So lets make that the story. :)
It also really doesn't affect how many a year are built. The limit is on TR3 being installed.

 
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Pentagon Can’t Say When Lockheed F-35 Will Finish Combat Testing


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Pentagon officials still haven’t set a date for Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35, the costliest U.S. weapons system, to complete the final 42% (42%, piece of a cake !) of mission testing to determine whether it’s up to countering the top Russian and Chinese air defenses and fighters.

The F-35 was supposed to fly one month of testing in a highly advanced simulator last December, the latest delay since the original goal of 2017. But that was postponed yet again by unresolved technical problems in the “Joint Simulation Environment” test facility"

never ending story.
And yet it somehow smack the french plane in Swissland und Finland. Says a lot about your 4th gen plane, eh?