The amraam's can far easily be dodged. And the OSF has public range of 75-100km. So Rafale can very well go without being detected provided spectra is as good as claimed. Most of teen fighters won't be carrying the podded irst that's the argument. The AAS-42 irst has a range of 185km so most probably the irst pods would have 200+ km range. Noone has procured the irst pods. It's just a marketing gimmick for now. There's a reason the super-hornet has been an export failure.
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But they can similarly jam smaller aircraft radars too, can't they? Doesn't Rafale have HOJ type targetting capability due to spectra?
End-user monitoring is part of the end-user agreement. The agreement most certainly spells out how and what limitations, a weapon system can be used.
Why do you think the UAE is having a dummy spit?
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Yeah.
HOJ is for missiles. Spectra can track a jammer aircraft. Pretty much any EW suite can.
End-user monitoring is part of the end-user agreement. The agreement most certainly spells out how and what limitations, a weapon system can be used.
Why do you think the UAE is having a dummy spit?
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That's UAE/F-35 specific. It's for the UAE to deal with.
With India, it's simple. Follow our rules or don't bother participating. It's pretty much why the Americans withdrew from the AESA radar tender for the LCA Mk1A.
When it comes to protecting American IP, we accept that. But we don't accept restrictions on who we can use American weapons. AFAIK, the only thing we have that's American and has such a constraint is the USS Trenton that was transferred to the IN. We can't use it to invade other countries, which is fine, 'cause we use it for training. In any case, it doesn't matter since our standards for going to war are higher than in America.
There's detection range and targeting range, two different things. In all tests of 'SPECTRA' the Rafale has always used an active system for ranging. The radar won't work against APG-79(V)4/5 EA at 100km and a laser is limited to about 20km, at which point you don't really need it.
Wrong. The IRST probes have been procured.
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AMRAAMs aren't that easy to dodge.
100km vs 200km. Far more powerful optics.
It's a much larger radar than the Rafales with GaN modules and jamming power is proportional to 1/R^2, radar range is proportional to 1/R^4. The tiny GaAs Rafale radar had zero chance, even in a straight range for range test.
No one's gonna know the actual range of IRSTs. Anyway you want your IRST on the airframe, not on a drop tank.
600mm to 700mm is not too much of a difference. GaN changes the game though.
The real question is if the SH will be upgraded with GaN for new sales, like in Germany, India etc. Rafale will likely come with GaN on Spectra, but the SH should gain a significant advantage if it gets it on both.
If you're always carrying drop tanks, as the SH, Rafale and Typhoon always are, you can make a fair argument for putting on the tanks since it doesn't increase the overall RCS or Cd.
1368 vs 840 modules.
Point is GaN is in-service right now on APG-79V4, for Rafale it's years off, by then AIM-260 will be available. And for ground missions the Rafale does not have AARGM capability, nor any close equivalent.
There're nothing obvious if you don't use the same reference. To be clear speaking of range with passive systems is a joke, you have to speak of angular resolution and nothing else. You can also use total fiel of view if you want.
Even a 4*4 CCD can have a better FoV if the optics are made for or a better angular resolution if the optics are made for... To conclude If you don't know the resolution of the captor and if you don't know how the optics are made, comparing rafale DDM and EODAS is just a joke.
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It's useful until the time it needs to be dropped. That's a huge no-no.
It's fine for the Growler, or if an SH is on an ISR mission. But during combat, it's not gonna be lugging it around inside enemy territory. That's a pretty ridiculous drawback.
Makes sense that one's exaggerated and the other is underestated.
Being available today doesn't really apply to future users. First, it needs to become available on the SH. Then it needs to be as good as, if not better than, what the Typhoon and Rafale will get after 2025.
Dunno why you think the AIM-260 requires special mention. By the time Typhoon and Rafale get a GaN upgrade, the Meteor would get an upgrade as well.
And the ARM's not a problem, if Dassault fails to get one of their own, the DRDO's NGARM can be made available for Rafale customers.
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Drop tanks are hardly ever discarded these days, and the central one doesn't affect performance much.It's useful until the time it needs to be dropped. That's a huge no-no.
It's fine for the Growler, or if an SH is on an ISR mission. But during combat, it's not gonna be lugging it around inside enemy territory. That's a pretty ridiculous drawback.
Makes sense that one's exaggerated and the other is underestated.
Being available today doesn't really apply to future users. First, it needs to become available on the SH. Then it needs to be as good as, if not better than, what the Typhoon and Rafale will get after 2025.
Dunno why you think the AIM-260 requires special mention. By the time Typhoon and Rafale get a GaN upgrade, the Meteor would get an upgrade as well.
And the ARM's not a problem, if Dassault fails to get one of their own, the DRDO's NGARM can be made available for Rafale customers.
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Nah, that's just the size of them, the Rafale's radar is probably the smallest of all the modern fighters.
If it's in-service it's available.
The only potential upgrade for the Meteor on the horizon is an AESA radar and that's a UK-Japanese project.
NGARM isn't available right now and it would surprise me if AARGM wasn't better , and AARGM-ER will be better still.
Captor is a Typhoon radar, nothing to do with IRST.
This conversation was also done on keypubs. EODAS has 6 apertures, all with higher resolution than either of the DDM-NG sensors. But we were discussing SH and Rafale IRST.
'Cause no one's fighting peer or near-peer adversaries, only desert donkeys with no air force, so no one chasing them around.
Even though it is the smallest, it still has excellent range performance. System design matters a lot. Particularly the antenna and the cooling system.
Not necessarily.
Even that can be an option.
Merely next year.
Subjective.
