You are straying beyond the bounds of fanboy. I pulled a yank up for doing the same.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
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In the event Wikipedia reports 96 Australians won the VC including 9 for the ill fated Gallipoli. That's an impressive list.
Fanboy of what ? Australia ? You've got to be kidding me .
This thread which used to see dozens of posts in a day has gone awfully quiet of late .
Are we to understand that the French contingent here are finally convinced that the F-35 is definitely superior to their own Rafale & that they've been persuaded to do so by @WHOHE who's single handedly managed to silence a dozen or more Frenchmen with his superior reasoning & logic ?
I find this behaviour to be totally out of character by the French.
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Are we to understand that the French contingent here are finally convinced that the F-35 is definitely superior to their own Rafale & that they've been persuaded to do so by @WHOHE who's single handedly managed to silence a dozen or more Frenchmen with his superior reasoning & logic ?
I find this behaviour to be totally out of character by the French.
@Picdelamirand-oil ; @Bon Plan : @A Person ; @halloweene ; @Herciv ; @john ; @Amarante
You know the Dassault motto is: "bien faire et laisser braire" which translates "do well and let it bray", finally it's more relaxing to apply it, anyway the Rafale doesn't need to be defended anymore, the UAE contract after the new Egyptian contract, combined with the French needs, assures the production for 10 years and Trappier told me that he hopes for a year 2022 as good as 2021 so we are serene. And our attitude is in line with what is usually advised on the internet: "don't feed the troll".
Which suits it well. The dozens of posts were just a heap of nonsense just there to wear down one's scrollwheel.
That is far from the truth. Frogs can't handle that others don't buy their nonsense. They wrap themselves, in a bubble of delusion on French sites. Where their fragile egos are protected from the harsh reality.You know the Dassault motto is: "bien faire et laisser braire" which translates "do well and let it bray", finally it's more relaxing to apply it, anyway the Rafale doesn't need to be defended anymore, the UAE contract after the new Egyptian contract, combined with the French needs, assures the production for 10 years and Trappier told me that he hopes for a year 2022 as good as 2021 so we are serene. And our attitude is in line with what is usually advised on the internet: "don't feed the troll".
This actually raises a very important point @WHOHE
The entire edifice of the Lightnings rests on stealth & EA. We both know that technologies evolve & in the present day it metamorphoses , that too rapidly. It's not beyond some nation to develop radars or similar tecnologies to crack both stealth & render it's EA impotent.
Since we both know the Lightnings aren't the most agile aircrafts around what happens in case both it's stealth & EA is nullified ?
You know the Dassault motto is: "bien faire et laisser braire" which translates "do well and let it bray", finally it's more relaxing to apply it, anyway the Rafale doesn't need to be defended anymore, the UAE contract after the new Egyptian contract, combined with the French needs, assures the production for 10 years and Trappier told me that he hopes for a year 2022 as good as 2021 so we are serene. And our attitude is in line with what is usually advised on the internet: "don't feed the troll".
The F-35 vs Rafale dogfight was all about cornering the market in NATO/Europe. With pretty much the last NATO/Europe market gone, for now, this competition has lost its sheen.
Except for the ever so patriotic & gung ho French ( I think they put our nationalists to shame given that I've yet to see an honest critique or even an appraisal by the French of the Rafale out here as opposed to us who keep swinging from extreme euphoria to breast beating despair at the drop of a hat ) & the criminally insane ( optimists?) , nobody saw a competition between an American 5th Gen ( as opposed to say a 5th Gen Chinese or Russian fighter ) v/s a French 4.5 Gen fighter as an apple to apple comparison in the first place , hence they didn't see it as a competition or even a fair competition per se ,ergo when their decision came it caused little surprise .
Not a "Turkey", but a "flying turkey".
Have you seen a flight of turkey ? You'll find the answer.
80 - 0 in UAEWhat's the rafail record when it competes with the "Turkey?"
The turkey can go mach 1.6 with two 2000lb bombs and two BVR missiles unlike your 4th gen fighter.
Rafail and turkey weren't in competition Le genius. Biden pulled the F-35 and UAE didn't have a choice but to get the french plane.
But the whale certainly can't do that, nor the F-35.
We, the French, reject the notion of generation as being relevant for comparing planes. For us, it is just a marketing concept of Lockheed Martin.
In the comparison between the F-35 and the Rafale, we agree that the specifications of the F-35 are different from those of the Rafale and in some cases more ambitious. The objectives are the same, but solutions that combine several capabilities emphasise different features. For example, for survivability, both aircraft seek to reduce RCS but the F-35 places more emphasis on passive stealth while the Rafale protects itself with active stealth and jamming, long-range firepower, manoeuvrability, and high-speed and automatic terrain-following capability.
So if the F-35 were developed it would be a respectable machine as effective as the Rafale but based on other solutions. But it is still not ready and to sell it Lockheed Martin is obliged to lie and promise its prospects wonders for tomorrow! And we think that if the situations were reversed, if France sold the F-35 and the US the Rafale, well, it is the Rafale that would sell. Firstly because the US Navy, which does not believe in the F-35, would have ordered at least 500 Rafales, which would have brought the price down, and secondly because "our" F-35 would be the laughing stock of the Anglo-Saxon media.
Well when you have over 700 F-35s (US alone) putting a lot of flight hours you're going to get a crash here and there. Luckily for you frenchies you don't have to worry about such things with your 100-120 french planes 50-55% ready rate. That's a lot of ground time which means no worries about accidents especially that squadron size of french planes being cannibalized for parts.
