Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

Well when you have over 700 F-35s (US alone) putting a lot of flight hours you're going to get a crash here and there. Luckily for you frenchies you don't have to worry about such things with your 100-120 french planes 50-55% ready rate. That's a lot of ground time which means no worries about accidents especially that squadron size of french planes being cannibalized for parts. :sneaky:
What's the service rate of the Lightnings like ? 100% ? 90% ? 80%? Or 110% ?
 
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Well when you have over 700 F-35s (US alone) putting a lot of flight hours you're going to get a crash here and there. Luckily for you frenchies you don't have to worry about such things with your 100-120 french planes 50-55% ready rate. That's a lot of ground time which means no worries about accidents especially that squadron size of french planes being cannibalized for parts. :sneaky:
It’s boring to answer to a guy whoe don’t read answers and explantions.
Some (Pic- i do believe, or Bon Plan maybe) have ever answered your point a few pages before, and i’m not a parrot.
What's the service rate of the Lightnings like ? 100% ? 90% ? 80%? Or 110% ?
Good question.
I have searched but didn’t find any statistics.
 
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Negative.
It was among the IAF Rafale specific fittings (for a whole total of 1.6 € billions), and the first 3 Rafale fully compliant were delivered (and accepted) these last days.
You can imagine that a customer will never accept a toy for which he paid 1.6 billion without full performances validated.
 
I like the last report from the DOT&E espacially page 310 :
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21191982/2021doteannualreport-opt.pdf

To improve the quality and timeliness of software development, in November 2020, the Assistant Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition and the Director of Defense Research and Engineering jointly chartered a Systems Engineering Tiger Team (SETT) focused on generating corrective action recommendations to manage F-35 program risk, schedule, cost, progress, and outcome expectations. DOT&E contributed to this effort, with a rigorous, technical evaluation of the status of current laboratories and modeling and simulation (M&S) HASC 311 capabilities required for the C2D2 effort. In parallel, F-35 program executive leadership requested an independent software review, which recommended steps for improving the overall software quality and delivery timeliness. DOT&E expects these initiatives will provide a more stable software product for operational test and evaluation and fully supports them.

The JPO is challenge on his very core work by this SETT team meaning that the US Defense Administration has no more confidence in the JPO. Why :unsure: ?
 
It is true, the Indian Rafale flyaway cost of $150m. That cost nearly twice as much as a F-35. Has had radar GMTI fitted and is now at the level of the FA-18 from the 80's. The only hornet that has had GaN aesa added, you know the stuff France said they'd be first in..Only about 40 years behind with GMTI. I don't know how long it will take for them to catch up with GaN. I hope it's not years again. India is the only Rafale to have radar GMTI, I guess the others couldn't afford it, even France doesn't have it.
 
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It is true, the Indian Rafale flyaway cost of $150m. That cost nearly twice as much as a F-35. Has had radar GMTI fitted and is now at the level of the FA-18 from the 80's. The only hornet that has had GaN aesa added, you know the stuff France said they'd be first in..Only about 40 years behind with GMTI. I don't know how long it will take for them to catch up with GaN. I hope it's not years again. India is the only Rafale to have radar GMTI, I guess the others couldn't afford it, even France doesn't have it.
I was talking about french air force and navy and he knows this. They like playing stupid... or are they playing? :unsure:
 

Germany eyes Lockheed F-35 fighter jet; no final decision -source​

BERLIN/WASHINGTON, Feb 3 (Reuters) - Germany is leaning toward purchasing the U.S. fighter jet F-35 built by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) to replace its ageing Tornado in the role of nuclear sharing, a German defence source told Reuters on Thursday, but a final decision has not been taken.

Another source, close to the German military, said a possible F-35 purchase was "back on the table", but no decisions were expected anytime soon.

"There have been recent efforts to inform Germany of how to move ahead with a potential F-35 purchase," a third source involved in the effort told Reuters.

A government spokesperson in Berlin was not immediately available for comment.

"As a matter of policy, we will not publicly confirm or comment on proposed defense transfers or sales until they have been formally notified to Congress. We refer you to the German government to speak to its future defense procurement plans," a spokesperson for the State Department in Washington said.

Germany needs to replace its ageing Tornado jets swiftly to remain part of NATO's nuclear sharing agreement, something the new government under Chancellor Olaf Scholz has pledged to do.

The Tornado is the only German jet capable of carrying U.S. nuclear bombs, stored in Germany, in case of a conflict. But the air force has been flying the jet since the 1980s, and Berlin is planning to phase it out between 2025 and 2030.

Germany's new coalition said it will purchase a replacement early in its four-year term in office. Without this move, Berlin would drop out of nuclear sharing when the last Tornado retires around 2030.

The German defence source said Scholz was expected to raise the issue during a trip to Washington next week.

Should Germany decide to buy the F-35, it would be a blow for Boeing (BA.N), whose F-18 was favoured by former German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to replace the Tornado.

A decision to go with a U.S. fighter jet could upset France. Paris has been warily watching past German deliberations over whether to settle on the F-18 or the F-35, concerned it could undermine the development of a joint Franco-German fighter jet that is supposed to be ready in the 2040s.

It was not clear how many F-35 jets Germany may attempt to purchase.

Kramp-Karrenbauer had planned to buy 45 F-18s, but these were meant to replace both Tornado jets tasked with nuclear sharing as well as those for electronic warfare.

This is not about nukes for Der Germans this is about their fast becoming outdated air force and using the nuke excuse to buy itself modern fighters to not only replace their Tornado's but Typhoons. They know partnering with the french on a stealth fighter will be tedious with delays and cost overruns and know 2040s for a stealth fighter with the french as partner is wishful thinking. They need stealth fighters yesterday as 4th gen fighters are becoming less capable in todays modern battlefield. By the 2040s the french airforce is going to become a jobs program because their 4th gen fighters will be useless in a modern battlefield. They'll be capable against arab and african nations with 60s and 70s military tech but that's about it. By 2040s using 4th gen fighters in modern battlefield will be like using WW1 planes in WW2.

India is lucky that it capped its french plane to 36 and didn't go all in with its original number of 100+ it would have set them back decades when their #1 rival is already flying over a hundred J-20s.
 
India is lucky that it capped its french plane to 36 and didn't go all in with its original number of 100+ it would have set them back decades when their #1 rival is already flying over a hundred J-20s.
Going by your assessment , in case the Chinese decide to invade Taiwan which seems to be a scenario with an increasing likelihood of unfolding before the end of this decade , the only fighters the USAF is likely to deploy to counter the PLAAF , going by your reasoning ought to be the Raptors & the Lightnings.

In which case before the decade is out all the Teens in the USAF & the JSDF should be replaced by the Lightnings or equivalent planes .
 
Completely false.
The dry price of Rafale is in the 80-90 €million without VAT.
Said nearly 1000 times.....
If only reality agreed with you deceptive fantasy. Cost of Indian flyaway, to be good enough. $150 million.
-Unit cost (36 F3+* RafalesX$105m*) $3.8b
-IAF specific enhancements ** ( including improved hot an high performance, integration of Israeli systems and weapons (intergradation) $2b divide by 36 and add the $105, you get $150 big ones.
 
India is lucky that it capped its french plane to 36 and didn't go all in with its original number of 100+ it would have set them back decades when their #1 rival is already flying over a hundred J-20s.

Stealth is great and everything, but the bigger question has always been whether RF-based AAMs can do their job against modern smart EW.
-IAF specific enhancements ** ( including improved hot an high performance, integration of Israeli systems and weapons (intergradation) $2b divide by 36 and add the $105, you get $150 big ones.

ISE is R&D cost, not part of the unit costs.
 
ISE is R&D cost, not part of the unit costs.
You too? R&D was a portion of the extra money. That had to be spent to get them up to standard, it was an extra expense India paid for a flyaway price. Let not talk nonsense. france charged some R&D in the $105m, do you want to deduct that too?
 
You too? R&D was a portion of the extra money. That had to be spent to get them up to standard, it was an extra expense India paid for a flyaway price. Let not talk nonsense. france charged some R&D in the $105m, do you want to deduct that too?

You need to have at least the basic understanding of this subject if you want to talk about it.

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You need to have at least the basic understanding of this subject if you want to talk about it.

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Throw up an irrelevant chart. How typical of Rafale fanboys. The little box in the left corner is all that is being looked at.

Afterwards if you really want to have a shot at the US costing system? I'll sit back and watch you flounder.
 
I don't believe this . Are you saying that the most advanced 5th Gen Fighter in the world doesn't have sensors , AI , ATOL , etc to prevent this sort of an incident ? Man , what's the difference then between the 5th Gen Apex Predator Lightning & say a 4th Gen Fighter like Rafale ?

While Gen Hostage as Program Director eas supposed to have incorporated such safety measures , he went goofing around & covered his behind with in the air statements like E Virus , etc which suckers bought hook line & sinker. Isn't it so ? @WHOHE
 
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