Maybe you should tell that to the Israelis who are integrating EA pods on the F-35 'cause even they say the F-35's stealth isn't enough.
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Maybe you should tell that to the Israelis who are integrating EA pods on the F-35 'cause even they say the F-35's stealth isn't enough.
Those E virus like Stuxnet are needed now more than ever sweetie not so much to salvage whatever's left of the Lightnings's tattered reputation as much as yours.
Same Israeli F-35's that has been taking out targets over Syria penetrating S300's and Russian operated S400's
Russian S-300s, S-400s Fail to Detect Israeli F-35s Flying Over Syria: Reports
Russia’s advanced air defense systems, the S-300s and S-400s, were ineffectual in detecting Israeli F-35 stealth fighters flying over Syrian capital Damascus, Israeli media reported. Israeli media published the flight route of its planes, reportedly F-35 Adir jets, that showed the jets entering...
www.defenseworld.net
I know it must suck to be and Indian military enthusiast that sees itself as a military power when the truth is India is powerless in the air force realm or better said inferior to its neighbor to the north that flies over a 100 stealth fighters and designing another version whose schematics is similar to the F-35.
I'd be pissed too if I were Indian and US hasn't offered the F-35 knowing crappy Flankers no matter how much foreign tech is integrated isn't going to cut it in a modern war under high-tech conditions. I'd also be pissed off too as Indian that the most advanced fighter we got is a French 4th gen fighter that still lacks many of the advanced avionics US 4th gen fighters have had for years... and only have 36 of them meaning likely only 15 or less will be available for war. Yeah I'd also be pissing on the US made F-35 to make myself feel better knowing that first world countries and friends of US are allowed to buy the most advanced fighter to ever take the skies while we fly Russian crap and 36 French fighters.
In my Indian mind I'd start lying to myself telling myself Rafale didn't really lose in Switzerland it was a conspiracy to please the US the same for Finland...
Same Israeli F-35's that has been taking out targets over Syria penetrating S300's and Russian operated S400's
Russian S-300s, S-400s Fail to Detect Israeli F-35s Flying Over Syria: Reports
Russia’s advanced air defense systems, the S-300s and S-400s, were ineffectual in detecting Israeli F-35 stealth fighters flying over Syrian capital Damascus, Israeli media reported. Israeli media published the flight route of its planes, reportedly F-35 Adir jets, that showed the jets entering...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...t-hamper-Older Forum-air-campaign-over-syria/
Russia says military coordination with Israel in Syria will continue as usual
Embassy says cooperation is daily and 'useful,' indicates condemnation over Ukraine invasion won't influence Syrian arrangement
www.timesofisrael.com
Did Israel send a message to Russia about Iranian ties with latest strike in Syria? - Breaking Defense
An Aug. 14 Israeli strike came within three kilometers of a Russian base, closer than normal strikes would come to Russian assets in Syria.
IAF Chief BS Dhanoa Denies Making Request to US For F-35 Fighter Jet
IAF Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa said that Americans have not been officially approached for a briefing on the F-35.
www.india.com
As you can see sweetie , plenty of material online to debunk your pet notions . Don't ever feel shy of asking . We're always delighted to be of assistance.
In my Indian mind I'd start lying to myself telling myself Rafale didn't really lose in Switzerland it was a conspiracy to please the US the same for Finland...
And why would we be bothered about Rafales not being selected by Switzerland or Finland just as I imagine why would they be bothered we did . Any more silly trailer park level analysis you want negated , sweetie ?
F-35 Has Flown With Its New Computer Backbone For The First Time
Known as Technology Refresh 3, the upgrade is critical to the F-35's future and the larger Block 4 modernization effort on the horizon.
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No sweetie(hope @_Anonymous_ doesnt mind), I am dead right. If stealth is be all and end all then why Chinese are trying new supercruising engines as well the Russians. Why F-22 Raptor has super maneuverability plus supercruise along with stealth!
Because, no amount of sensors can make speed/agility redundant against a peer enemy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just being asinine.
Plenty of videos of F-18 gunning Su-30? Lol, no. Just one. There is also a picture of Hornet putting its piper on F-22. So?
Anyways, that video is from Gonky. He categorically said that Su-30 MKM gunned F-18 too but he didn't record it. He is an ex Us Navy pilot. He said Su-30MKM is the toughest fight other than fighting F-22 Raptor. So even as per him, in WVR: MKM=F-22.
Here is the proof:
Also at your home F-16. net, F-35 is getting wrecked by operational US Navy/Marine/Air Force pilots. Both Hornet and F-16 is being preferred as a dogfighter over F-35. I know it hurts you, but acknowledge it dude that F-35 sucks.
No that's what all the experts believe.
Rafale piloted by Indian Air Force and Indian Navy pilots would whoop F-35 10 out of 10 times.
MKI is the king of WVR. It slays even the Raptor there. Comparing it with F-35 is kind of insulting. Post MLU, it will take down any fighter whether stealthy or not in BVR as well.
No, in fact most Indian defence enthusiasts are extremely pleased that we have MKI and Rafale. We don't want your F-35.Same Israeli F-35's that has been taking out targets over Syria penetrating S300's and Russian operated S400's
Russian S-300s, S-400s Fail to Detect Israeli F-35s Flying Over Syria: Reports
Russia’s advanced air defense systems, the S-300s and S-400s, were ineffectual in detecting Israeli F-35 stealth fighters flying over Syrian capital Damascus, Israeli media reported. Israeli media published the flight route of its planes, reportedly F-35 Adir jets, that showed the jets entering...
I know it must suck to be and Indian military enthusiast that sees itself as a military power when the truth is India is powerless in the air force realm or better said inferior to its neighbor to the north that flies over a 100 stealth fighters and designing another version whose schematics is similar to the F-35.
I'd be pissed too if I were Indian and US hasn't offered the F-35 knowing crappy Flankers no matter how much foreign tech is integrated isn't going to cut it in a modern war under high-tech conditions. I'd also be pissed off too as Indian that the most advanced fighter we got is a French 4th gen fighter that still lacks many of the advanced avionics US 4th gen fighters have had for years... and only have 36 of them meaning likely only 15 or less will be available for war. Yeah I'd also be pissing on the US made F-35 to make myself feel better knowing that first world countries and friends of US are allowed to buy the most advanced fighter to ever take the skies while we fly Russian crap and 36 French fighters.
In my Indian mind I'd start lying to myself telling myself Rafale didn't really lose in Switzerland it was a conspiracy to please the US the same for Finland...
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I don't understand this to and fro. The F-35 is still under development. It does the job it is supposed to do. Penetrate air defence and bomb and get back. And it will get better at it. Its never supposed to be a dogfighter. Nothing wrong in that.
Again, locking in to a fighter and bringing it down are 2 different things. Surviving the shot fired by it, something else. If the first look is by the 35, it fires, then the defender will first maneover to avoid the hit. Then try to get a firing solution. If it misses, then the defender has to lock, launch and then hit. In the same way, if the F-35 misses, against a peer opponent, you better pray that your ew will work, because your existing kinematics definitely will not.
Again, locking in to a fighter and bringing it down are 2 different things. Surviving the shot fired by it, something else. If the first look is by the 35, it fires, then the defender will first maneover to avoid the hit. Then try to get a firing solution. If it misses, then the defender has to lock, launch and then hit. In the same way, if the F-35 misses, against a peer opponent, you better pray that your ew will work, because your existing kinematics definitely will not.
That term isn't mine. Sweetie himself came up with it when he'd talk down to everyone out here , when he first made his appearance out here a year & a half ago. Ever since I started giving it back to him he quickly abandoned his own terms. Ditto for his display photograph. I used to use it. He copied it forcing me to do the same. Long story short, we interchanged each other's DPs.
You are right.
But no object is fully invisible. Once the low band radar detect you, it gives a missile or a fighter a limited air zone where the opponent is. Without enough precision for a fire on the sole low band radar datas, but enough to guide the fighter or the missile close enough to use its own onboard radar or IR seeker to end the game.
And stealth fighters as F35 are not very clean aerodynamically, that means they need to use engine in a quite high power (this is why F35 despite 12 tons of thrust is not able to supercruise because shaped as a piece of sugar) : so IR detector are very keen to detect it because they are quite hot.
Only big bird can be stealth for low band radar, as B2 or B21. NGAD will be a fighter size plane, so not LB stealth.
I wholeheartedly agree to what you wrote. But problem is F-35 fanboys, who continue to argue that it's a great dogfighter as well(which is far from truth).
Isn't this exactly what I am arguing. F-35 fanboys say that it would look first, shoot first and kill first from 100s of kms away. That's not possible against a peer level enemy. And if F-35 is caught or forced to fight then its kinematics fall way short.
That's why a 4++ gen plane like Rafale is perfect cause even if it gets caught, it's a vicious dogfighter as well besides being a great semi-stealth platform.
The way he reacts to your every post, seems like you're now fully in his head. Mr. Yank is obsessed with you it seems.
Apparently Americans are testing a new chrome coloured RAM paint which reduces IR signature as well.
Actually stealth fighters are always clean aerodynamically since they carry their weapons inside. F-35 is fat because it's a strike fighter. Needs to carry plenty of gas and weapons. Look at Su-57. Its aerodynamics are superlative.
NGAD is going to be as big as F-111, so much bigger than Raptor. Plus, it would be tailless, so its stealth would be much broad-band than previous gen stealth fighters.
Don't underestimate the prowess of Uncle Sam. They are superpower for a reason. NGAD is designed to beat Su-57 and its future derivatives along with J-20 and Chinese future fighters. It's going to be an awesome plane.
Pls note sweetie. If this goes on like this people'd think we're in love. Which given your orientation may be ok but I find it scandalous. @Innominate
Same Israeli F-35's that has been taking out targets over Syria penetrating S300's and Russian operated S400's
Russian S-300s, S-400s Fail to Detect Israeli F-35s Flying Over Syria: Reports
Russia’s advanced air defense systems, the S-300s and S-400s, were ineffectual in detecting Israeli F-35 stealth fighters flying over Syrian capital Damascus, Israeli media reported. Israeli media published the flight route of its planes, reportedly F-35 Adir jets, that showed the jets entering...
The Israelis take Russian permission before attacking targets near them. And the targets Israel is attacking are also targets the Russians want eliminated on the sly. It's why both are working together, it has nothing to do with technology.
I know it must suck to be and Indian military enthusiast that sees itself as a military power when the truth is India is powerless in the air force realm or better said inferior to its neighbor to the north that flies over a 100 stealth fighters and designing another version whose schematics is similar to the F-35.
I'd be pissed too if I were Indian and US hasn't offered the F-35 knowing crappy Flankers no matter how much foreign tech is integrated isn't going to cut it in a modern war under high-tech conditions. I'd also be pissed off too as Indian that the most advanced fighter we got is a French 4th gen fighter that still lacks many of the advanced avionics US 4th gen fighters have had for years... and only have 36 of them meaning likely only 15 or less will be available for war. Yeah I'd also be pissing on the US made F-35 to make myself feel better knowing that first world countries and friends of US are allowed to buy the most advanced fighter to ever take the skies while we fly Russian crap and 36 French fighters.
In my Indian mind I'd start lying to myself telling myself Rafale didn't really lose in Switzerland it was a conspiracy to please the US the same for Finland...
Your argument would have been sound had the F-35 not been a hangar queen.
No, we are not pissed that we are not offered the F-35, we are pissed that the US offers the F-35, we reject them and the US then claims they rejected our request.
The US was even interested in selling India the F-22.
Boeing CEO Pitches Super Hornet Fighter Jet To India
US aircraft maker Boeing Co is in a "conversation" on manufacturing its F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet in India, Chief Executive Officer Dennis Muilenburg was quoted on Wednesday as saying on his first visit to the country.
www.ndtv.com
The stuff of nightmares for you.
F-35 Has Flown With Its New Computer Backbone For The First Time
Known as Technology Refresh 3, the upgrade is critical to the F-35's future and the larger Block 4 modernization effort on the horizon.
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Lol, nearly 900 jets delivered and only IOC has been declared by foreign air forces.
Innominate believes the F-35 is already the king of all fighters and is not a WIP. It apparently does grocery shopping too.
NGAD could be as stealthy as the B-21 'cause it's expected to be tailless.
what about the plume of the engine ?
And about the paint, it's OK for a slow moving target as tanks, but what about the kinetic heat of a fighter frame ?
Not enough. In low bands overall size is key. And NGAD will never be as big as a B21
F-35 is not able to supercruise mainly because of electricity generation. Its F135 has to remain within its best operating range ... That's not supercruise espacilally when it means that heat generation have to be managed by more cooling.
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NGAD is going to be much more stealthy(almost in magnitude terms) than B-2 in all bands.
Size has got nothing to do with stealth. It is B-2's planform of flying wing design without tail that makes is so stealthy. If you make B-2 even more smaller, its stealth would increase in all Bands and not decrease.
Not only that but look at the wing sweep aspect ratio(2.66 with 33° swept wings). It is not designed to supercruise at all.
As a Strike Fighter, it's great. But as an ASF it just sucks. No amount of sugar coating will ever change this fact.
As a strike fighter it can perhaps become usefull, but not too far from its bases otherwise the tanker is absolutly not stealth.