Canard An important reason is the N 011m radar overweight, reduced static instability, the use of canard to restore static instability
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Not only canards but MKI has enlarged LERX too. Both make it lot more unstable in the longitudinal plane and provide lift/enhance agility.
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LOS ANGELES – May 8, 2023 – Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE: NOC) announced the fifth consecutive successful flight test of the U.S. Navy’s AGM-88G Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile Extended Range (AARGM-ER). The missile successfully detected,...
US-Finnish defense pact could bolster Nordic F-35 footprint
Helsinki and Washington have been discussing a new cooperation agreement that could take a page from Norway's playbook when it comes to the US warplanes.
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US-Finnish defense pact could bolster Nordic F-35 footprint
Helsinki and Washington have been discussing a new cooperation agreement that could take a page from Norway's playbook when it comes to the US warplanes.
www.defensenews.com
This makes a 47 millions dollars for each F-35 hangar ...
All depends of the target.I'm not saying Meteor is a bad missile in fact I've never said such a claim I'm just posting that the Aim-120D shot down a target breaking the longest range shot by US missile which was held by the Pheonix at a 126 miles. The aim-120d likely shot that target at 130+miles making its range equal to the Meteor's public range and for some reason Rafale fanboys lose their mind over this.
Watch this.... The D3's range supposed to be greater than the D so I reckon its range surpasses the Meteor?
Now they'll go nuts.
A liner cruising at mach 0,9 without G turn can be destroyed at a far greater range than a highly agile fighter. This is the common law for all missiles.
No. You are describing the F35 case : need PC to cross the sound barrier, and can sustain > mach 1 in a slight descent... for a limited time before becoming subsonic again.
Not the Rafale case. It can stay supersonic the time the fuel tanks are not empty.
It takes 10 years to study a new engine, so is the lead time for a new radar.
But it is shorter for a new airframe.
We may imagine a 25% bigger Super Rafale, with the 9T engine (already tested) and the same weapon system (with a strong road map up to F7). For 1/3 of the R&D costs of a new fighter, and just take half the time.
Maybe a back up or at least interim solution in case of a fall of FCAS.
MEDIAPART is a full left wing tabloid. They tried unsuccessfully to bring down Dassault for years. They hate billionners....Lol. Speaking of bribes..,
Military Secrecy Gets in the Way of French Judges' Rafale Sale Probe: Report
Two French ministries have refused to declassify documents requested by the two judges' probing the deal, the French publication Mediapart reported.
New Delhi: The two French judges who have been investigating France’s sale of 36 Rafale fighter jets to India have come across a road block – military secrecy. According to a report by French platform Mediapart, a discreet search of Dassault Aviation (makers of Rafale) offices was carried out in February this year. However, since then, the judicial investigation has been unable to get much further.
Judges Virginie Tilmont and Pascal Gastineau have been investigating the sale for the last one year, focusing on suspicions of “corruption”, “influence peddling” and “favouritism” in the 7.8 billion euro sale.
In February this year, according to Mediapart, a team from OCLCIFF, the anti-corruption unit of the French police, searched Dassault’s headquarters in Saint-Cloud, in the western suburbs of Paris, on the judicial panel’s request. When the publication asked Dassault about this, the company refused to respond.
In June, however, the judges found it difficult to proceed further –France’s Ministry of the Armed Forces and Ministry of Foreign Affairs refused to declassify certain secret documents on the sale that the judges had requested as part of their probe. The body that looks after declassifying documents of this sort – the Commission du Secret de la Défense Nationale (CSDN) – reportedly recommended to the ministries in two separate opinions that the documents should be left as is.
If the judges’ probe were allowed to continue without hurdle, it may have raised serious questions for François Hollande (who was the French president at the time of the sale in 2015), his successor Emmanuel Macron and their former minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, the Mediapart report said.
The French probe was launched in the wake of a series of investigative reports published by Mediapart in April 2021 about the deal, including the role of a middleman whose disclosures India’s Enforcement Directorate is reportedly aware of but has not bothered to investigate so far. These reports can be accessed here and here. Following the exposé, the French anti-corruption NGO Sherpa filed a complaint with the tribunal of Paris, citing “corruption”, “influence peddling”, “money laundering”, “favouritism” and undue tax waivers surrounding the deal.
Sherpa’s initial complaint, filed in 2019 (before the media exposés) was dismissed by Éliane Houlette, then head of the financial crimes prosecution unit the Parquet National Financier (the French judicial institution tracking economic offences). Only the second complaint in 2021 led to an investigation.
Now, the complainants at Sherpa are unhappy with the government’s alleged stalling tactics. “Once again military secrecy is used as window dressing to protect personal interests and ensure the impunity of top public or private figures united in the same fraudulent grouping,” William Bourdon and Vincent Brengarth, lawyers for the NGO Sherpa, told Mediapart.
In September 2021, the judges had sent “two requests for documents to be declassified to the armed forces minister at the time, Florence Parly, and to the then-minister of foreign affairs Jean-Yves Le Drian. The aim was to get hold of the classified documents held by the two ministries concerning the negotiations for the contract to sell the Rafale jets to India,” Mediapart reported.
In particular, the judges reportedly wanted to verify evidence revealed by Mediapart, that crucial anti-corruption clauses – required under Indian law – were removed from the contract.
The ministries began stalling right from the start, according to Mediapart. They took 7.5 months to locate the documents in question and send them to the CSDN. On June 8 this year, the CSDN advised against declassifying the documents, without giving any reason for it.
The CSDN’s conclusion, according to Mediapart, is “difficult to understand”. The report states:
“On the face of it, it is difficult to understand how they came to these conclusions. The law stipulates that the CSDN can advise against declassification in order to preserve “the country’s defence capacities”, to ensure the country “respects its international commitments” and to maintain the “safety” of military “personnel” who are on operational duty. Yet none of these three criteria seems relevant to the Rafale affair where the issue is simply one of determining whether corruption had taken place.”
Immediately after the CSDN’s advisories, the ministers in question refused to declassify the documents.
While the French Ministry of Armed Forces did not respond to Mediapart‘s requests for comment, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that the intergovernmental agreement on the sale of the Rafale aircraft “relates solely to the obligation of the French government to guarantee the delivery and the quality of this equipment”.
While Dassault Aviation was the French company involved in the deal, on the Indian side it was handled by Anil Ambani’s Reliance group.
India and Dassault had officially been negotiating terms for the purchase and manufacture of 126 Rafale jets right up to Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s publicly announced decision – on April 10, 2015 – to scrap that deal and replace it with the outright purchase of 36 fighters. While Manohar Parrikar, India’s defence minister at the time, was unaware of Modi’s decision until the very end, Mediapart investigations revealed last year that it appears Anil Ambani may have had an inkling of it.
While the French investigation into the deal continues, despite hiccups and alleged stalling tactics, no similar investigation has been launched in India. The Supreme Court had earlier rejected contentions that an FIR and probe were required on the matter, despite evidence revealed by a series of journalistic investigations.
Military Secrecy Gets in the Way of French Judges' Rafale Sale Probe: Report
Two French ministries have refused to declassify documents requested by the two judges' probing the deal, the French publication Mediapart reported.thewire.in
They tried this with South Korea but being a first world country with high ethical standards they got caught.
Super Rafale could meet the same fate as the M4000.
And it's all relative to the capabilities of the main enemy. Modernisation programs tend to use the same fuselage and extend it alongside widening the wing and adding more thrust. I don't see how a little bit more range or payload will help against the Su-57 without a significant change in sensor capabilities that could come with a wider fuselage and a bigger radar. And all that at a much higher procurement and operations cost, like a whole new engine.
Rather, if airframe and engine modifications are expected, what I'd like to see in the F5 is a 5-10% reduction in airframe drag, 5-10% increase in fuel efficiency, 50% increase in electrical output, RCS reduction by half and 30% increase in service life. Of course, engine thrust increased to 83KN as well. Perhaps some weight reduction too. Similar to a SH B2 to B3 upgrade.
They are not going to spend money on a super rafale. they will spend money on their next gen.
A Super Rafale may include some design changes, as twin fin, new air intakes (always semi recessed but more rectangulary shaped), a non pure cone in the nose, at least the air to air load inside internal bays, etc...
Not simply a copy, x1,25 and paste.
not so sure.
FCAS is in trouble. The next step is funded, but it was a fight, and it will be harder and harder with the others (because more money to put on table).
FCAS will be heavy, so costly. Another cheaper solution, built on mature solutions, and 100% french is interesting for export.
Recent rumours have suggested that despite Greece’s interest in the fifth-generation American fighter, HAF officials are ‘flirting’ with the idea of a successive Rafale order along with the creation of two highly capable and numbered squadrons with this modern French fighter. The French newspaper La Tribune implied last January that Greece is interested in increasing the total number of its purchased Rafales. Only time will tell… CAJ
https://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=42065&sid=e5ecc26aa827976166114c42d28c9173
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So the old Rafale NG design with weapons pods? I believe such major changes were deemed unnecessary. Mentioned by @Picdelamirand-oil
Makes sense for Greece to get 2 squadrons each in fact.
Copy a SH isn't the answer. It's a waste of money.
The FCAS may fall over, but they still need a stealth design. They may just put the rafale sensors on it for a start. They have to get the frame right.
For 2 rafales you have one f-35 :
The Australian Defence Force’s largest single equipment project remains acquisition of a fleet of 72 F-35A aircraft, with the last dozen to be delivered in the next year. Total cost of this long-running project is AU$16.4 billion, with AU$870 million to be spent in 2023-24.
Australian budget: Historic defense spending, plus AU$1.2B on US-made missiles - Breaking Defense
Reminder : one US dollar corresponds to 1.5 Australian dollars.
That makes a F-35 at 150 million US dollar for the Australian budget. That is twice the price of a Rafale.
The Australian Defence Force’s largest single equipment project remains acquisition of a fleet of 72 F-35A aircraft, with the last dozen to be delivered in the next year. Total cost of this long-running project is AU$16.4 billion, with AU$870 million to be spent in 2023-24.
Australian budget: Historic defense spending, plus AU$1.2B on US-made missiles - Breaking Defense
Reminder : one US dollar corresponds to 1.5 Australian dollars.
That makes a F-35 at 150 million US dollar for the Australian budget. That is twice the price of a Rafale.
Show what is included in the price. So we can see how foolish you are. Or are you following the deceitful posts?
Also India paid $160 just the flyaway In 2017 value of money.. You get 2 f-35 flyaway for one Indian Rafale.
You may have found another conspiracy. It was 100 F-35 for $16.4b. still didn't say in the article, all what is included.
"Australia, which serves as a level three partner for the fighter development, is planning to acquire a total of 100 F-35 jets for a cost of $16.4bn
”Our team will work to define the processes and information that will be required to ensure that the aircraft achieves its maximum operational effectiveness in any deployed environment,” Monaghan added.
The contract also includes follow-on phases covering the supply of support services for continued integration of the aircraft, until it reaches the initial operating capability (IOC) in the 2019-2020 timeframe.
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"Australia, which serves as a level three partner for the fighter development, is planning to acquire a total of 100 F-35 jets for a cost of $16.4bn
”Our team will work to define the processes and information that will be required to ensure that the aircraft achieves its maximum operational effectiveness in any deployed environment,” Monaghan added.
The contract also includes follow-on phases covering the supply of support services for continued integration of the aircraft, until it reaches the initial operating capability (IOC) in the 2019-2020 timeframe.
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BAE to develop F-35 JSF integration model for Australia - Airforce Technology
BAE Systems Australia has been selected to support the development of an operational model for integration of the Lockheed Martin-built F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter (JSF) aircraft into the Australian Defence Environment.
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This March, the Norwegian MoD revealed that Washington is investing USD $188 million into the Rygge airport – where some of the country’s F-35s are kept – to build four fighter hangars with associated facilities, warehouses, increased capacity for ammunition storage and fence parts of the air station with a patrol road.US-Finnish defense pact could bolster Nordic F-35 footprint
Helsinki and Washington have been discussing a new cooperation agreement that could take a page from Norway's playbook when it comes to the US warplanes.
This makes a 47 millions dollars for each F-35 hangar ...
Lol. Yeah, no. You're miss reading this badly. Rygge is basically starting from the ground up as an Air Station since in recent years it's been a helicopter base, and hasn't stationed aircraft. It needs an all-around investment to make capable of operating fixed-winged aircraft again. Rygge's fix-winged contingent was moved and split between Bodo and Orland, where F-35s are primarily stationed. Unlike Bodo and Orland, Rygge is mainly a civilian air station with some military infrastructure. I don't know how versed you are in military infrastructure, cost and development, but starting from scratch is expensive. Rygge is a special operations support base, not a major air station.
You are wasting your time, trying to explain it to him. There are 2 reasons. The main reason is he just doesn't care. He scrapes the internet. To try and find something he can criticise. Then he misrepresents the article, by design or by poor translation. With numbers that simple make no sense and are out of context. Either way, it ends up as nonsense
10 years between these two articles.
One says that currently 16,4 billion was spent for 72 f-35, the other say that 16,4 billion should be spend in 100 f-35...
But I agree with you for one point. We don't know what there's in this cost.
Since I value the f-35 with its F135 at 110 million US dollars, I think that a big part of the rest come from the hangars for each squadron. These hangars have to be budgetized in the project.
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Not much. I remember the F 35 factory price was around $85 million. And a new 5th generation fighters like the F 35 don't need a special thermostat hangar.