Fly away cost was near $95 million.Show what is included in the price. So we can see how foolish you are. Or are you following the deceitful posts?
Also India paid $160 just the flyaway In 2017 value of money.. You get 2 f-35 flyaway for one Indian Rafale.
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Can you point out where it refers the fly away cost? Assuming you understand what that means.
This is the 2016/17 price. there would have been increases since then. To what would be the current cost.
flyaway
-Unit cost (36 F3+* RafalesX$105m*) $3.8b
-IAF specific enhancements ** ( including improved hot an high performance, integration of Israeli systems and weapons) $2b
non-flyaway
Weapons (including SCALP ALCM and METEOR BVRAAM) $1.2b
-Base costs (creating world class base level maintenance operations and state of the art climate controlled hardened air shelters) $2b
Total: approx. $9b (or €7.9b or Rs59,630 crore as we know the deal was valued at in 2016).
flyaway
-Unit cost (36 F3+* RafalesX$105m*) $3.8b
-IAF specific enhancements ** ( including improved hot an high performance, integration of Israeli systems and weapons) $2b
non-flyaway
Weapons (including SCALP ALCM and METEOR BVRAAM) $1.2b
-Base costs (creating world class base level maintenance operations and state of the art climate controlled hardened air shelters) $2b
Total: approx. $9b (or €7.9b or Rs59,630 crore as we know the deal was valued at in 2016).
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It's funny to watch youThis March, the Norwegian MoD revealed that Washington is investing USD $188 million into the Rygge airport – where some of the country’s F-35s are kept – to build four fighter hangars with associated facilities, warehouses, increased capacity for ammunition storage and fence parts of the air station with a patrol road.
US-Finnish defense pact could bolster Nordic F-35 footprint
Helsinki and Washington have been discussing a new cooperation agreement that could take a page from Norway's playbook when it comes to the US warplanes.www.defensenews.com
This makes a 47 millions dollars for each F-35 hangar ...
However playing your silly game.... India worked out to $55m per rafale.
-Base costs (creating world class base level maintenance operations and state of the art climate controlled hardened air shelters) $2b
He does not understand what a fly away cost is, he does not know that it must be a recurring cost, the proof is that he counts the ISE, which are a development, and are therefore non-recurring, in the fly away cost! If it were true, it would have to be counted again for the 26 Rafales that are proposed to the Indian Navy, which is obviously false.
So you were wrong?
When we ordered per yer rate was 12 now its 30+ if im not wrong. That could be helpful to bring down cost i suppose.
Scale brought down F-35A fly away cost to <$80mn irrespective of inflation.
Im hoping next batch for next batch of rafales flay away cost will remain same and package cost per airframe will be around ~$150mn from earlier ~$250mn.
The Indian deal include :
Multi years support so as to have a >75% availability (far exceded in fact)
Two air bases accomodation
Simulators for 2 air bases
Indian specifics (paid one time. Next order will be cheaper)
A weapons package
50% offsets => it automatically increase the price of each bird, and deeply.
80mn was a cost without engines. Yo had to add around 13 million US dollars to have a fly away cost (without spares).
Now fly away cost is not what the customers have to paid. They also have to paid for development even FMS customers.
Then this notion of fly away cost has no more meanings.
The $160 was the flyaway for the 36.
flyaway
-Unit cost (36 F3+* RafalesX$105m*) $3.8b
-IAF specific enhancements ** ( including improved hot an high performance, integration of Israeli systems and weapons) $2b
The next purchase won't include the Israeli or french development cost of Indian specific. So it will be cheaper. I will guess $120 flyaway, given inflation and such. It will never be as cheap as a F-35 $80m. Regardless of how they want to twist and misrepresent the numbers. Mass production counts. The finnish and Swiss comps both said the f-35 was cheaper than the Rafale.
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May be this will help you.
ISE is an upgrade over already purchased Rafale (Upgrade is still going on). Its clearly not part of fly away.
For F-35, block 3/4 upgrade cost is not part of its flyaway cost. Thats how you still get ~$80mn.
Since your imaginary cost has come down from $160 mn. So thats a good sign.
Yes, i forgot. That number is only from LM without P&W engine.
Your € 1.8 Billion for spare parts and items are mainly for the upgrade for two bases that include aircraft protection hangars, simulators for pilots and maintenance technicians and all the logistical devices and tools that enable aircraft maintenance.
For the ISE there is much more than what you have mentioned.
What more needs to be said, when you claim the $80m flyaway doesn't have an engine?
It also applies to the chart, that has no source.
$30 Billion F-35 Deal Will See Prices Rise, Deliveries Dip | Air & Space Forces Magazine
Lockheed Martin and the Defense Department have reached a deal on Lots 15-17 of the F-35, with fewer jets and higher costs per plane.
www.airandspaceforces.com
More: F-35 might not ever reach $80M target again, Lockheed exec says - Breaking Defense
Source for Rafale deal cost: Part 2: How much did the Rafale actually cost?
$30 Billion F-35 Deal Will See Prices Rise, Deliveries Dip | Air & Space Forces Magazine
Lockheed Martin and the Defense Department have reached a deal on Lots 15-17 of the F-35, with fewer jets and higher costs per plane.
More: F-35 might not ever reach $80M target again, Lockheed exec says - Breaking Defense
Source for Rafale deal cost: Part 2: How much did the Rafale actually cost?
A clueless journalist or fanboys mixing flyaway with full costs, doesn't count.
$70.2 million to $69.9
The 70 and 10-11 for an engine sounds right for a F-35a. 80-81m flyaway
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Once again :
The real price of each flyaway F-35 in LRIP15, 16 17 is 84 millions US dollars without engines
129 in LRIP15 without TR3 (N0001920C0009 P00016)
127 in LRIP15 with TR3 (N0001920C0009 P00019)
126 in LRIP15 with TR3 (N0001920C0009 P00026)
USAspending.gov (without LRIP 17 (P00026) and without TR3 UPDATE P00027 (?)) for 22,5 billions dollars.
You have to add N0001920C0009 P00021 to P00025 for 500 millions dollars (?)
You have to add N0001920C0009 P00026 7,8 billions dollars LRIP 17
You have to add 1,4 billions dollars for the TR3 update in LRIP16 and 17 (P00027 ? ??). Contracts for May 2, 2023
That makes 382 f-35 for 32,5 billions dollars or average 84 millions / F-35 . Very far from the cost given by LM.
For the engines :
I have it it is N0001920C0011 USAspending.gov contract.
currently at 5,1 billions dollars still in progress. We don't know how many engines have to be made.
5,1 /381 = 13 millions (in average).
But last add was made in january before the LRIP17 contract with LM. I think we have to wait a little to have a complete knowledge of the F135 price for LRIP15 16 and 17.
For teh developments now a cost for every customers :
Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded a cost-plus-incentive-fee, cost-plus-fixed-fee not-to-exceed $1,439,135,764 undefinitized contract. This contract provides for the continued development of critical F-35 warfighting capabilities, to include Electronic Warfare Band 2/5 Radar Warning Receiver, Modernized Countermeasure Controller, Multi-ship Infrared Search and Track Increment 2, and Beyond Line of Sight communications, as well as supports required training and combat data systems development for Lots 16 and 17 production aircraft for the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, Foreign Military Sales (FMS) customers, and non-Department of Defense (DOD) participants. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (60%); Nashua, New Hampshire (16%); Baltimore, Maryland (9%); Orlando, Florida (5.5%); Torrance, California (2%); San Diego, California (2%); El Segundo, California (2%); Northridge, California (1%); Clearwater, Florida (1%); Buffalo, New York (1%); and Tucson, Arizona (0.5%), and is expected to be completed in March 2028. Fiscal 2023 research, development, test, and evaluation (Navy) funds in the amount of $57,335,825; fiscal 2023 research, development, test, and evaluation Air Force) funds in the amount of $54,900,755; FMS customer funds in the amount of $565,817; and non-DOD participants funds in the amount of $30,558,644 will be obligated at the time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to 10 U.S. Code 2304(c)(1). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity (N0001923C0009).
Development or not this contract is attached to N0001923C0009 and is specific to LRIP16 and 17. It is clearly writen that every customers will paid for.
The real price of each flyaway F-35 in LRIP15, 16 17 is 84 millions US dollars without engines
129 in LRIP15 without TR3 (N0001920C0009 P00016)
127 in LRIP15 with TR3 (N0001920C0009 P00019)
126 in LRIP15 with TR3 (N0001920C0009 P00026)
USAspending.gov (without LRIP 17 (P00026) and without TR3 UPDATE P00027 (?)) for 22,5 billions dollars.
You have to add N0001920C0009 P00021 to P00025 for 500 millions dollars (?)
You have to add N0001920C0009 P00026 7,8 billions dollars LRIP 17
You have to add 1,4 billions dollars for the TR3 update in LRIP16 and 17 (P00027 ? ??). Contracts for May 2, 2023
That makes 382 f-35 for 32,5 billions dollars or average 84 millions / F-35 . Very far from the cost given by LM.
For the engines :
I have it it is N0001920C0011 USAspending.gov contract.
currently at 5,1 billions dollars still in progress. We don't know how many engines have to be made.
5,1 /381 = 13 millions (in average).
But last add was made in january before the LRIP17 contract with LM. I think we have to wait a little to have a complete knowledge of the F135 price for LRIP15 16 and 17.
For teh developments now a cost for every customers :
Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded a cost-plus-incentive-fee, cost-plus-fixed-fee not-to-exceed $1,439,135,764 undefinitized contract. This contract provides for the continued development of critical F-35 warfighting capabilities, to include Electronic Warfare Band 2/5 Radar Warning Receiver, Modernized Countermeasure Controller, Multi-ship Infrared Search and Track Increment 2, and Beyond Line of Sight communications, as well as supports required training and combat data systems development for Lots 16 and 17 production aircraft for the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, Foreign Military Sales (FMS) customers, and non-Department of Defense (DOD) participants. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (60%); Nashua, New Hampshire (16%); Baltimore, Maryland (9%); Orlando, Florida (5.5%); Torrance, California (2%); San Diego, California (2%); El Segundo, California (2%); Northridge, California (1%); Clearwater, Florida (1%); Buffalo, New York (1%); and Tucson, Arizona (0.5%), and is expected to be completed in March 2028. Fiscal 2023 research, development, test, and evaluation (Navy) funds in the amount of $57,335,825; fiscal 2023 research, development, test, and evaluation Air Force) funds in the amount of $54,900,755; FMS customer funds in the amount of $565,817; and non-DOD participants funds in the amount of $30,558,644 will be obligated at the time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to 10 U.S. Code 2304(c)(1). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity (N0001923C0009).
Development or not this contract is attached to N0001923C0009 and is specific to LRIP16 and 17. It is clearly writen that every customers will paid for.
A perfect example of a clueless fanboy. That thinks total price for all three with spares and all the rest of it, is f-35a flyaway.
Existing customers pay for upgrades. Not that i think you understand your example. Or that only a small part of it applies to 16/17 for training and combat data, AKA reprogramming lab. "as well as supports required training and combat data systems development for Lots 16 and 17 production aircraft" which is not part of flyaway.
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