Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion


I hope all F-35 customers will also remember they need to buy a squadron of F-15EX so as to clear a path for the F-35 stealth striker that's supposed to be able to enter first to clear the path for legacy 4th gen platforms like the F-15 that had to clear the path for the F-35.

@BMD

This murders all the arguments you made.

The tactic is part of an effort to minimise “the F-35’s emissions to get closer to the adversary”, the service says. Electronic emissions would betray the stealth aircraft’s location.

“As a fifth-gen asset we have stealth, so we can physically get closer, but we may not have all the weapons that a fourth-gen aircraft, like a [F-15E] Strike Eagle, does,” says Major Scott Portue, an F-35 pilot with the 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron. “We’re trying to figure out how we – fourth- and fifth-generation platforms – can benefit each other so that we can get closer to the adversary.”


This clearly indicates the F-35 doesn't have any kind of ECM capability.
 
@BMD

This murders all the arguments you made.

The tactic is part of an effort to minimise “the F-35’s emissions to get closer to the adversary”, the service says. Electronic emissions would betray the stealth aircraft’s location.

“As a fifth-gen asset we have stealth, so we can physically get closer, but we may not have all the weapons that a fourth-gen aircraft, like a [F-15E] Strike Eagle, does,” says Major Scott Portue, an F-35 pilot with the 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron. “We’re trying to figure out how we – fourth- and fifth-generation platforms – can benefit each other so that we can get closer to the adversary.”


This clearly indicates the F-35 doesn't have any kind of ECM capability.
Obviously you don't emit jamming signals if you can evade the threat radius.


Portue explained that the Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System, or EPAWSS, on an F-15, for example, can benefit an F-35 by allowing them to get closer to the enemy without using their own radar or employing their own EA (electronic attack). Additionally, the F-35 testers accomplished missions in the Gulf of Alaska, exploring maritime tactics and joint interoperability.
 
Obviously you don't emit jamming signals if you can evade the threat radius.


Only in the X band, we already cleared that.

"but we may not have all the weapons that a fourth-gen aircraft, like a [F-15E] Strike Eagle, does,"

This is what gives it away.

Logically you would argue that an F-35 would be used for the same purpose as the F-15EX instead. And if things go wrong, the F-35 can always escape using stealth after turning off electronic attack, the F-15 won't be able to. Again, logically, if the F-35 was capable of EA to the same level as the F-15EX, then you wouldn't need the F-15EX in the first place. Full circle.

That quote is plenty enough to work as proof. And it came from an F-35 pilot.
 
Only in the X band, we already cleared that.

"but we may not have all the weapons that a fourth-gen aircraft, like a [F-15E] Strike Eagle, does,"

This is what gives it away.

Logically you would argue that an F-35 would be used for the same purpose as the F-15EX instead. And if things go wrong, the F-35 can always escape using stealth after turning off electronic attack, the F-15 won't be able to. Again, logically, if the F-35 was capable of EA to the same level as the F-15EX, then you wouldn't need the F-15EX in the first place. Full circle.

That quote is plenty enough to work as proof. And it came from an F-35 pilot.
Where does it say only X-Band? And I think the guy is confusing attack and defence because EPAWSS does not do electronic attack at all, it's a self-protection system.


How exactly? There are going to be significant external carry weapons that the F-15E/EX will carry that the F-35 either can't carry or can't carry stealthily, like ARRW for instance.


There's talk of a long-range SM-6-based AIM and/or ASM too.

You've seen something and just decided to interpret it to mean something completely different to what it says.
 
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The USAF needs a counter terrorist fighter jet. So this program is definitely going to happen since the F-35 is too expensive for such a role. This aircraft could also serve as the F-16 and A-10 replacement. Both jets are already functioning beyond their technical limits.

Yeah, I think the F-35 numbers will easily cross 1000 as well. Only the last 200 or 300 may be cancelled. It can also be timed in such a way that a lot of money is freed up for the full rate production of the NGAD. F-35 production for the USAF was expected to complete in 2037. By removing 200-300 jets, we could see all that freed up money paying for 100-150 NGAD.

I honestly hope it happens because the concept designs are so cool, but for COIN and other low intensity missions I just don't see why they wouldn't go with more persistant, higher capacity drones or armed trainer aircraft. This is especially considering the USAF is looking to be more budget conscious. Maybe they will make it optionally manned and showcase their 6th gen developments?

NGAD is well ahead of schedule which is why they are making these statements now. I think they feel confident in publicly announcing the Raptor's retirement because it adds more pressure on Lockheed Martin to comply with demands to bring down the manufacturing cost of the F-35. It shows confidence in the advanced/fast tracked design process being used and adds teeth to the threat of canceling hundreds of orders and opting for a cheaper modernized 4th gen fighter.

A-10s will see service until 2040. Politics defeated prudent decision making a long time ago. So that's 300+ jets meant for air shows and insurgencies.

Decades after the last gunshot fired in anger occurs, the US congress will still be debating on modernizing the A-10's canopy for the next generation of warfare.


He's not making a literal point. He's just pointing out that the F-35 doesn't have all the capabilities actually needed for SEAD/DEAD, or is unusable.
I know I know, and I am making the point that most countries buying the F-35 aren't planning on using them independently, aside for some occasional air interdiction against Russian bears, and are buying them as a modern day tribute to the US to stay on her good graces.
 
Where does it say only X-Band? And I think the guy is confusing attack and defence because EPAWSS does not do electronic attack at all, it's a self-protection system.


The USAF contradicts your claim.

More in the article:
At its Northern Edge 21 exercises in Alaska, the US Air Force (USAF) tested the Boeing F-15 conducting an electronic attack to clear a path for a Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter.

The test reveals how the USAF may use its legacy fleet of F-15E Strike Eagles, as well as its new F-15EX Eagle IIs, in coordination with its stealth aircraft for air strikes deep into enemy territory. The F-15 used the BAE Systems ALQ-250 Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System (EPAWSS).

“Though designed as a self-protection system, at Northern Edge, testers also explored using EPAWSS to support the [Weapons and Tactics Conference tactic improvement proposal] of fourth-to-fifth- and fifth-to-fourth-gen [electronic attack] effectiveness,” says the USAF.


Interesting sidenote: @Picdelamirand-oil
Rapid adaptation to new threats and electronic signatures is increasingly important to the USAF. The service notes that at Northern Edge 21 BAE was able to reprogramme the mission data files for EPAWSS to improve its performance within one to two days.

You've seen something and just decided to interpret it to mean something completely different to what it says.

Lol. The entire article only speaks of EW. They won't randomly start talking about payload in the middle of it. With the exception of EPAWSS, there's literally nothing else in it. Would suggest reading the article yourself then. You can switch off Javascript on a secondary browser like Edge or Firefox to remove the block.
 
I honestly hope it happens because the concept designs are so cool, but for COIN and other low intensity missions I just don't see why they wouldn't go with more persistant, higher capacity drones or armed trainer aircraft. This is especially considering the USAF is looking to be more budget conscious. Maybe they will make it optionally manned and showcase their 6th gen developments?

For CAS, soldiers and the pilot need to be connected and communicate constantly. A machine won't be able to properly discriminate targets in danger close situations or make effective judgements. And AI with human-level intelligence is still decades away.

For COIN as well, since collateral damage is a very high possibility, the expectation will be that a human is behind the decision and not a machine. And COIN also requires communication with ground troops. And in case drones are used, RPVs will be more commonly used for such missions than AI-controlled drones.

For both missions, you do not need F-35 level capabilities, all the jet needs is frontal stealth, a capable EW suit and armour. Maybe an IWB for enhanced performance, but that's only an option since such aircraft require a large external payload. Which is why they are talking about a 4.5+ or 5- gen design.

NGAD is well ahead of schedule which is why they are making these statements now. I think they feel confident in publicly announcing the Raptor's retirement because it adds more pressure on Lockheed Martin to comply with demands to bring down the manufacturing cost of the F-35. It shows confidence in the advanced/fast tracked design process being used and adds teeth to the threat of canceling hundreds of orders and opting for a cheaper modernized 4th gen fighter.

Definitely. Both Su-57 and J-20 had them running around for solutions since a decade ago. While they were saying the F-22 was enough throughout the decade, they had already advanced their next gen jet to a very large extent at a rapid pace. I remember them saying they needed new capability in 5-10 years about 2 years ago. That's when the Su-57 and J-20 will become available with all their main technologies.
 
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The USAF contradicts your claim.

More in the article:
At its Northern Edge 21 exercises in Alaska, the US Air Force (USAF) tested the Boeing F-15 conducting an electronic attack to clear a path for a Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter.

The test reveals how the USAF may use its legacy fleet of F-15E Strike Eagles, as well as its new F-15EX Eagle IIs, in coordination with its stealth aircraft for air strikes deep into enemy territory. The F-15 used the BAE Systems ALQ-250 Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System (EPAWSS).

“Though designed as a self-protection system, at Northern Edge, testers also explored using EPAWSS to support the [Weapons and Tactics Conference tactic improvement proposal] of fourth-to-fifth- and fifth-to-fourth-gen [electronic attack] effectiveness,” says the USAF.


Interesting sidenote: @Picdelamirand-oil
Rapid adaptation to new threats and electronic signatures is increasingly important to the USAF. The service notes that at Northern Edge 21 BAE was able to reprogramme the mission data files for EPAWSS to improve its performance within one to two days.



Lol. The entire article only speaks of EW. They won't randomly start talking about payload in the middle of it. With the exception of EPAWSS, there's literally nothing else in it. Would suggest reading the article yourself then. You can switch off Javascript on a secondary browser like Edge or Firefox to remove the block.
Ah, turns out the F-15EX APG-82 radar has electronic attack too, and is interfaced with EPAWSS, hence attack. This would allow the F-35 to remain passive but says nothing of F-35 abilities. However the F-15EX's APG-82 radar is likely more powerful.


Tyler: Is the APG-82 planned to be integrated with the EPAWSS [Eagle Passive/Active Warning Survivability System], the F-15EX’s advanced electronic warfare suite, which is really the backbone in a certain way of this aircraft, and also will be installed on the F-15E? Is there an integration that's happening just to make them work together?

MS: Yeah, so that's really exciting too, EPAWSS obviously has been quite a big program in the last couple of years, and we have definitely been a part of that, working with both APG-82 and APG-63 and integrating those capabilities together.

This is the advert for EPAWSS, nothing about attack in isolation.


Since when was EW described as a weapon outside of EMPs maybe?
 
Ah, turns out the F-15EX APG-82 radar has electronic attack too, and is interfaced with EPAWSS, hence attack. This would allow the F-35 to remain passive but says nothing of F-35 abilities. However the F-15EX's APG-82 radar is likely more powerful.




This is the advert for EPAWSS, nothing about attack in isolation.


Since when was EW described as a weapon outside of EMPs maybe?

Yeah, dude, I'd rather believe Boeing and an F-35 pilot than you.
 
Yeah, dude, I'd rather believe Boeing and an F-35 pilot than you.
What F-35 pilot?

This is the same story as your pay-walled Flight Global link.


Northern Edge 21 achieves operational test advances for Airmen, weapons systems​


In addition to F-15EX Eagle II deep end testing and B-52 Stratofortress long-range kill chain milestones for hypersonic weapons, the 53rd Wing’s F-35A Lightning IIs, MQ-9 Reapers, F-15C Eagles and F-15E Strike Eagles, all progressed their software, hardware, and tactics while at Northern Edge.

These Tactics Improvement Proposals, known as “TIPs,” are established at the annual weapons and tactics conference.

It's everything to do with weapons and not just an EW test. The article is actually about Northern Edge 21 if you took your head out of your ar5e for 2 ticks.
 
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This is the full story. It's clearly about using 4th gen aircraft electronic attack capabilities to allow the F-35 to remain passive during an attack. That doesn't mean the F-35 is useless on its own, it just means this is one particular tactic they could use when all together. If the F-35 did use electronic attack or jamming that would sure make life even more difficult for radars, but enemy ESM systems, that the Russians (for one) have a lot of, could geolocate those transmissions. If an EA-18G or F-15ES's APG-82 does the electronic attack, then the F-35's very small RCS is hidden in a dense swamp of RFI and probably decoys and jamming drones too. Very little point in having all the planes together, just to watch the F-35 to do everything. Sometimes you guys are retard dense.

Northern Edge 21 achieves operational test advances for Airmen, weapons systems​

By 1st Lt Savanah Bray, 53rd Wing / Published May 20, 2021

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F-15 Eagles and Strike Eagles from the 53rd Wing and 96th Test Wing sit on the ramp at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska during exercise Northern Edge 21. Approximately 15,000 U.S. service members participated in the joint training exercise hosted by U.S. Pacific Air Forces, May 3-14, 2021. The exercise was conducted on and above the Joint Pacific Alaska Range Complex, the Gulf of Alaska, and temporary maritime activities area. (U.S. Air Force photo by 1st Lt. Savanah Bray)
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JOINT BASE ELMENDORF-RICHARDSON, Alaska (AFNS) --
As exercise Northern Edge 21 concludes, the 53rd Wing is returning home having achieved major test objectives for multiple weapons systems May 3-14.

In addition to F-15EX Eagle II deep end testing and B-52 Stratofortress long-range kill chain milestones for hypersonic weapons, the 53rd Wing’s F-35A Lightning IIs, MQ-9 Reapers, F-15C Eagles and F-15E Strike Eagles, all progressed their software, hardware, and tactics while at Northern Edge.

“Northern Edge is an essential event for operational tests,” said Col. Ryan Messer, 53rd Wing commander. “It is one of only a handful of exercises that combine great power competition-level threat complexities with the joint interoperability necessary to realistically inform our test data. The individuals in the 53rd Wing continue to inspire me with how they challenge themselves and their programs in complex environments, ensuring we deliver the most lethal, ready and capable force for our nation.”

By platform, here is what the 53rd Wing operationally tested while at Northern Edge 21.

F-35A Lightning II

The 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron, Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, recently fielded a new Operational Flight Program, Suite 30P06 to the combat air forces’ F-35s. As the new OFP rolls out, Northern Edge allowed operational testers to evaluate how the software functioned in a realistic threat environment to both inform the tactics associated with the software and provide greater feedback to the Combat Air Forces.

“At Northern Edge, we are validating our assumptions that we made in the OFP test process on a grand, realistic scale and incorporating WEPTAC Tactics Improvement Proposals,” said Maj. Scott Portue, 422 TES F-35 pilot.

These Tactics Improvement Proposals, known as “TIPs,” are established at the annual weapons and tactics conference. TIPs being tested at Northern Edge by the 422 TES include F-35 emissions control or minimizing the F-35’s emissions to get closer to the adversary, and fourth-to-fifth (and fifth-to-fourth) electronic attack tactics, techniques and procedures.

“As a fifth-gen. asset, we have stealth, so we can physically get closer, but we may not have all the weapons that a fourth-gen. aircraft, like a (F-15) Strike Eagle, does. We're trying to figure out how we (fourth- and fifth-generation platforms) can benefit each other so that we can get closer to the adversary,” Portue said.

Portue explained that the Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System, or EPAWSS, on an F-15, for example, can benefit an F-35 by allowing them to get closer to the enemy without using their own radar or employing their own EA (electronic attack). Additionally, the F-35 testers accomplished missions in the Gulf of Alaska, exploring maritime tactics and joint interoperability.

“When we talk about fourth- and fifth-gen. integration, we absolutely mean joint integration. Northern Edge is the biggest melting pot that we have as a joint force, in which we can test the most cutting-edge technologies, OFPs (operational flight program) and tactics and see how they match up against a near-peer threat,” Portue said.

MQ-9 Reaper

While at Northern Edge, the 556th Test and Evaluation Squadron operated the MQ-9 Reaper out of Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, and focused on test of new pods, including the hardened targeting pod and Reaper Defense Electronic Support System, and WEPTAC TIPs.

“The hardened targeting pod has an electro-optical counter-counter measure and testing that is one of our objectives at Northern Edge,” said Lt. Col. Mike Chmielewski, 556th TES commander,. “We’re also demonstrating the capability of the RDESS pod, of which there is currently only one in the world.”

The RDESS pod provides the MQ-9 the ability to find and detect threats in the Northern Edge environment. Because of the newness of the RDESS program, much of the RDESS testing at Northern Edge informed test data points for both developmental and operational testers. Furthermore, RDESS supports the Defense Department’s Joint Artificial Intelligence Center’s smart sensor program.

Additionally, the 556 TES tested the anti-jam, anti-spoofing, or AJAS, system TIP, which utilized new aircraft antenna capability to see its impacts on GPS effectiveness in a denied environment.

Finally, the MQ-9 utilized the Auto Take-Off and Landing system on the transit to and from Eielson AFB, advancing the plane’s divert capability and flexibility while under satellite control.

F-15C/E/EX

Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System (F-15E, EX)

In a complex electronic attack environment like Northern Edge, EPAWSS was put to the test in the F-15E and F-15EX.

While at Northern Edge, the first-ever four-ship of F-15Es equipped with EPAWSS flew May 14, employing EPAWSS as it would be used in a tactical formation.

Lt. Co.l Reade Loper, Operational Flight Program Combined Test Force F-15E test director, shared the significance of four F-15Es flying together with the most current version of EPAWSS in a large force, dense-threat environment, explaining that operating in an environment like Northern Edge uncovers opportunities for growth in the program that might otherwise take months to reveal during home-station flying. It was also a chance to exercise the utility of the entire system working together.

Though designed as a self-protection system, at Northern Edge, testers also explored using EPAWSS to support the WEPTAC TIP of fourth-to-fifth and fifth-to-fourth generation electronic attack effectiveness.

Loper also explained that while at Northern Edge, BAE Systems was able to rapidly reprogram the mission data files for EPAWSS to improve its ability over just one to two days.

Infrared Search and Track (F-15C)

During Northern Edge 21, F-15C pilots completed operational flight testing on the Legion Pod, an Infrared Search and Track, or IRST, pod, in the rigorous environment of Alaska ranges. Northern Edge was a “graduation” test event for the pod, prior to fielding.

Maj. Aaron Osborne, 28th Test and Evaluation Squadron F-15C pilot, explained that IRST allows pilots to have an “out-of-band” sensor to find what an electronically scanned radar cannot, particularly in the event of an electronic attack.

“IRST pod is an added capability to the warfighter and is proving capable in the dense electronic attack threat environment of Northern Edge,” Osborne said. “While at Northern Edge, I’m using the pod not as a test pilot, but exactly as I would in the CAF or in operations. We’re checking the final boxes of the test plan here before the pod fields and using it with the latest operational flight program.”

F-15C/E Suite 9.1 RR (F-15C, E)

That “latest operational flight program” is Suite 9.1RR (Re-Release). Suite 9.1 RR is the next installment of the F-15 Operational Flight Program and what the 53rd Wing’s and 96th Test Wing’s F-15Cs and F-15Es at Northern Edge have. As previously mentioned, the F-15EX is currently flying with a similar OFP, Suite 9.1X.

“We finished test on Suite 9.1 in February 2021, and it will field to the CAF in the fall,” Loper said. “Suite 9.1RR was an effort between ACC (Air Combat Command) and AFLCMC (Air Force Lifecycle Management Center) to provide more capability to operational units earlier. On the normal timeline, Suite 9.2, wouldn’t field until late spring of 2023. Suite 9.1RR was able to use available funds to develop an additional OFP so that the CAF doesn’t have to wait almost two years for software upgrades.”

Perhaps the biggest improvement with Suite 9.1RR is new hardware called Data Transfer Module 2, DTM II. The DTM is how data is transferred from mission planning computers to the aircraft. The current DTM is the same model and method that was developed for the Eagle (C-model and E-model) in the 1980s, and though the memory capacity has grown slightly over the years, the F-15’s latest aircraft processor, Advanced Display Core Processor 2, and OFP have outgrown the memory capacity of the current DTM.

“With 9.1RR, we’ve been able to upgrade the entire data transfer system to keep up with our new software. DTM II increases in memory capacity from 2MB to 256GB,” Loper said. “With the increase in memory and processing power, we can now add all sorts of new tactical capabilities to the aircraft.”

As Suite 9.1 completed testing in February, Northern Edge provided essential initial data for Suite 9.1 RR, which will continue flight testing through fall of 2021. Suite 9.1RR is set to field in spring of 2022.

In summary, Northern Edge 21 provided an ideal joint test environment for initial, culminating and milestone tests for multiple platforms in the 53rd Wing. The progress made at Northern Edge 21 would not have been possible without the combined effort from operational and developmental testers in the operational flight program combined test force, 40th Flight Test Squadron, and the 84th Test and Evaluation Squadron, as well as maintenance support from the of 57th Wing and 96th Test Wing.

NE21 is a U.S. Indo-Pacific Command exercise designed to provide high-end, realistic warfighter training, develop and improve joint interoperability, and enhance the combat readiness of participating forces. This is done by providing a venue for large force employment training and multi-domain operations; tactical training for the full spectrum of conflict; execute and advance adaptive basing joint tactics, techniques, and procedures; advance live-virtual-constructive capabilities; and support U.S. Indo-Pacific Command’s experimental initiatives.
 
What F-35 pilot?

This is the same story as your pay-walled Flight Global link.




It's everything to do with weapons and not just an EW test. The article is actually about Northern Edge 21 if you took your head out of your ar5e for 2 ticks.

Even your article talks about how the F-15 can used its EW capability to help get the F-35 closer. It's the same words really.
 
This is the full story. It's clearly about using 4th gen aircraft electronic attack capabilities to allow the F-35 to remain passive during an attack. That doesn't mean the F-35 is useless on its own, it just means this is one particular tactic they could use when all together. If the F-35 did use electronic attack or jamming that would sure make life even more difficult for radars, but enemy ESM systems, that the Russians (for one) have a lot of, could geolocate those transmissions.

Lol, then why would you need an F-15 in the first place? Just use another F-35 for the same purpose. It's naturally cheaper and better and more survivable.

"Portue explained that the Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System, or EPAWSS, on an F-15, for example, can benefit an F-35 by allowing them to get closer to the enemy without using their own radar or employing their own EA (electronic attack)."

Can't the F-35 do that on its own? I'm sure a squadron has more than 1 F-35.

If an EA-18G or F-15ES's APG-82 does the electronic attack, then the F-35's very small RCS is hidden in a dense swamp of RFI and probably decoys and jamming drones too. Very little point in having all the planes together, just to watch the F-35 to do everything. Sometimes you guys are retard dense.

Whatever you said there, we have been saying that for years about the Rafale. What the Rafale has been doing for over a decade, the USAF is testing it out only now.
 
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The F-15EX has been touted as being capable of carrying and launching “outsize” air-to-air and air-to-ground munitions, but none of these was exercised, even in simulated form, during the event.

The F-15EX has “full air-to-ground capabilities,” but those were not exercised in the wargame, he said. “The EX’s primary goal was to go up there and execute the current C-model mission.” It performed air dominance as well as homeland defense missions, he said.

In addition to the self-protection features of EPAWSS, a test point was to see if it could help stealthy F-22 and F-35s operating in proximity. The additional jamming “can help the F-35 get closer to the adversary,” O’Rear said. “The more clutter, the more electronic attack you have out there, the more difficult it is for enemy sensors to work through that.” The EPAWSS was able to integrate with “a coordinated electronic attack throughout the force package.”
 
The F35’s AN/ASQ-239 EW system serves as a signals collector system, provides radar warning, identifies the geolocation of electronic emitters, simultaneously tracks multiple aircraft, provides high-gain (i.e., highly focused radio antenna), high gain counter measures and high gain electronic attack through the radar.
 
Even your article talks about how the F-15 can used its EW capability to help get the F-35 closer. It's the same words really.
Yes, it uses the APG-82 radar linked to EPAWSS to attack enemy radars so that the F-35 can remain passive.
The F-15EX has been touted as being capable of carrying and launching “outsize” air-to-air and air-to-ground munitions, but none of these was exercised, even in simulated form, during the event.

The F-15EX has “full air-to-ground capabilities,” but those were not exercised in the wargame, he said. “The EX’s primary goal was to go up there and execute the current C-model mission.” It performed air dominance as well as homeland defense missions, he said.

In addition to the self-protection features of EPAWSS, a test point was to see if it could help stealthy F-22 and F-35s operating in proximity. The additional jamming “can help the F-35 get closer to the adversary,” O’Rear said. “The more clutter, the more electronic attack you have out there, the more difficult it is for enemy sensors to work through that.” The EPAWSS was able to integrate with “a coordinated electronic attack throughout the force package.”
That doesn't mean it can't though. It also carries more weapons than the F-35 can carry internally.
The F35’s AN/ASQ-239 EW system serves as a signals collector system, provides radar warning, identifies the geolocation of electronic emitters, simultaneously tracks multiple aircraft, provides high-gain (i.e., highly focused radio antenna), high gain counter measures and high gain electronic attack through the radar.
And what exactly are the high gain countermeasure not coming from the radar?
 
A baseline F-35 will already have a limited electronic attack capability with its Active Electronically Scanned Array radar (AESA).
The problem here is that you are a dipsh1t and do not understand the difference between defensive jamming and electronic attack. No on-board fighter self-protection suite can conduct electronic attack, if you understood transmitters, power and gain, you would understand that.

Dubbed the EA-35B, the aircraft could potentially be available by 2015, according to industry representatives. A baseline F-35 will already have a limited electronic attack capability with its Active Electronically Scanned Array radar (AESA).

There really is no fcuking point in this conversation, you are wasting time and space going around in a circle failing to understand different types of jamming, defensive and electronic attack. Defensive is when you create a false target or prevent lock, attack is when you basically make the radar useless against any aircraft in the sector at that time. The latter you cannot do without a lot of power and very high gain transmitters like a radar or large podded system. EPAWSS can't do the latter without the APG-82 either.

Do you seriously think EPAWSS can perform a similar role to a Growler or electronic attack AESA radar on its own? If not, what is your argument here?

The biggest mistake they made was mentioning that the F-35 can perform electronic attack via its radar, because now everyone assumes that, because of the EXTRA capability, the standard EW system can't do defensive jamming.
 
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