That means you were lying when you said that India made a formal request in 2018 and was denied by DOD or whatever agency responsible. Read your post 1620
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Are you really an American ?
From NATO website
“It is not part of NATO, but is a joint contribution to Allied security. ... Since 1949, Canada has maintained a permanent representation at NATO Headquarters in Europe, following NATO as its headquarters moved from the United Kingdom to France, and from France to Belgium.”
Reason given is “Canadian leaders grew disillusioned with the NATO alliance, and began to reduce Canada's commitment. In 1969 then Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau withdrew half of Canada's forces in Europe, even as many leftist intellectuals and peace activists called for a complete withdrawal from NATO.”
“General Bipin Rawat, India’s chief of defence staff, says that the technology has never been offered by the U.S. to India. Indian Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Bipin Rawat on Thursday scotched a longstanding rumor about India’s possible acquisition of American F-35 fighter jets, as he told a foreign policy conference that Washington had never offered New Delhi the multirole combat aircraft,” the ELE Times report states.
Could U.S. F-35 Stealth Fighters Soon Be Heading to India? | The National Interest
Lockheed Martin denies offering India fifth-generation F-35 fighter
Lockheed Martin, the US aerospace giant, rebutted a report that was widely published in the Indian media, that it had offered the state-of-the-art F-35 Lightning II fighter to the country. The F-35, a fifth-generation fighter, that is only now entering service in significant numbers, is superior to the F-16 Block 70 fighter that Lockheed Martin is offering India in its proposed purchase of an estimated 100 single-engine fighters.Lockheed Martin denies offering India fifth-generation F-35 fighter | Business Standard News (business-standard.com)
It's always MAY offer or THEY'D LIKE to offer, WILLING to offer or INTERESTED in selling but US has never OFFICIALLY offered the F-35 to India. Almost offering doesn't correlate to classified briefing.
-Canada was a founding member of the Alliance and has remained as a member since its inception. NATO is a major contributor to international peace and security and is the cornerstone of Canadian security and defence policy.
Canada’s priority for NATO is to ensure the Alliance remains modern, flexible, agile and able to face current and future threats. This goal drives all of Canada’s efforts on NATO transformation, reform and partnerships with non-NATO countries.
The Canadian Armed Forces are among the most engaged, agile, deployable and responsive armed forces within NATO, and Canada is proud to have contributed to every NATO operation since the founding of the Alliance more than seven decades ago. Canada's participation in NATO operations around the world exemplifies our commitment to the Alliance.
NATO is an active and leading contributor to peace and security on the international stage. It promotes democratic values and is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. However, if diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military capacity needed to undertake crisis-management operations, alone or in cooperation with other countries and international organizations.
Canada and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (international.gc.ca)
Stop going to Indian sites, bruh.
LOL.
-Canada was a founding member of the Alliance and has remained as a member since its inception. NATO is a major contributor to international peace and security and is the cornerstone of Canadian security and defence policy.
Canada’s priority for NATO is to ensure the Alliance remains modern, flexible, agile and able to face current and future threats. This goal drives all of Canada’s efforts on NATO transformation, reform and partnerships with non-NATO countries.
The Canadian Armed Forces are among the most engaged, agile, deployable and responsive armed forces within NATO, and Canada is proud to have contributed to every NATO operation since the founding of the Alliance more than seven decades ago. Canada's participation in NATO operations around the world exemplifies our commitment to the Alliance.
NATO is an active and leading contributor to peace and security on the international stage. It promotes democratic values and is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. However, if diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military capacity needed to undertake crisis-management operations, alone or in cooperation with other countries and international organizations.
Canada and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (international.gc.ca)
Stop going to Indian sites, bruh.
Canada and NATO - 1949
Did you know that Canada was the country that pushed for a political role for the Alliance? That Lester Pearson was one of the key players in the creation and formation of NATO? Do you want to hear his grandson talk about his legacy? You can also find out who was the first ever female NATO...
The article certainly doesn't elaborate on whether the briefing IN received was classified or not . I imagine it had to be so otherwise what else is there to be gained from an ordinary briefing ?
No,it's not been offered officially. Or else uncle Sam could have bring it to mmrca, mmrca2 competition.
LOL.
View attachment 20566Canada and NATO - 1949
Did you know that Canada was the country that pushed for a political role for the Alliance? That Lester Pearson was one of the key players in the creation and formation of NATO? Do you want to hear his grandson talk about his legacy? You can also find out who was the first ever female NATO...www.nato.int
Like cost and what challenges pros and cons in operating the F-35 especially at that early stage of the F-35's life when it wasn't IOC yet.
Even if Canada is in NATO , that doesn’t changes anything. More Non NATO countries are buying F35 than NATO members.
Canada is NATO and all the others are completely NATO-aligned with Australia being part of the 5 eyes, which is actually an even tighter-knit group than NATO.
Too many movies. With missiles, you're either undamaged or dead mostly, the 0.01% of cases falling between these two are negligible.
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Explained: BECA, and the importance of 3 foundational pacts of India-US defence cooperation
For all the hullabaloo you've been creating here, have a look at the 4 foundational agreements India & the US has signed. In fact India is one of the few if not only non alliance member to enjoy security clearances on par with any alliance member.
Finally given up this ridiculous claim good for you.
You mean nations that are very close military allies where we have bases and nations that fly US fighters? Well duh.
You can change the goal post as much as you want. It’s your problem.
I just showed you that NATO membership is not necessary.
No shame in self correction.
So does Turkey and lots of other countries around the globe.
And as said by someone here , you and BMD think (or not) like brothers. You both know that what you said was totally false but that doesn’t deter you from uselessly argue on the same line
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All of that has been recent, understand that? The IN "briefing" took place 10+ years ago and it wasn't the classified one. Maybe now if India were to ask for a classified briefing, depending on how serious they are and signing clauses, they'd get THEE classified briefing... maybe.
So what have you Indians learned thanks to me..?
1. US has not officially offered the F-35 to India.
2. India/IAF/IN has not received F-35 classified briefing.
3. Canada is a member of NATO.
What was false?
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2.IAF requested briefing on F35
3. DOD denied F35 briefing to India
1.NATO membership is necessary to buy F35. Since India is not a NATO member, it can’t get F35All of that has been recent, understand that? The IN "briefing" took place 10+ years ago and it wasn't the classified one. Maybe now if India were to ask for a classified briefing, depending on how serious they are and signing clauses, they'd get THEE classified briefing... maybe.
So what have you Indians learned thanks to me..?
1. US has not officially offered the F-35 to India.
2. India/IAF/IN has not received F-35 classified briefing.
3. Canada is a member of NATO.
What was false?
2.IAF requested briefing on F35
3. DOD denied F35 briefing to India
The first of the foundational agreements was signed way back in 2012 IIRC. This was preceded by the 123 Nuclear Agreement between India & the US which thereby allowed India a special waiver by the NSG. All this was sealed by 2008.
Are you arguing that India getting a waiver from the NSG & subsequent membership of the Australia Group, the MTCR & the Wassenaar Agreement - ALL ENABLED BY THE US is somehow less critical than India getting a briefing classified or otherwise on your gold plated sorry make that platinum plated F-35?
1. Made no such claim.
2. India media made the claim and it was picked up by some in western media. Shame on western media for believing anything that comes out of Indian media.
-The Indian Air Force (IAF) is formally requesting a classified briefing by U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin on the capabilities of its fifth-generation stealth multirole F-35A Joint Strike Fighter Lightning II, the aircraft’s conventional takeoff and landing version, according to Indian media reports.
3. IAF air chief said no such request ever happened which also makes you Indians liars since many of you here claim India has gotten F-35 classified briefing.
Maybe it was BMD then, I don’t remember exactly . You both have very similar line of arguments anyway.
There is a clear reason for that. It's that only the Americans have the right to assemble f35. No other partner assembles f35. Making components is one thing in offsets. Like we are doing with the Rafale. Assembling them becomes a different game.
Partners can only buy the f35 off the shelf. Nothing else. The only one to get the best deal was Israel with the Adir. Heck the U.K got scammed into buying f35..
