So a rafale A with 2x7,2 tons of thrust may reach a higher speed than a smaller one with 2x7,5T.... hum hum...
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at least mach 1,6 clean.
Confirmed mach 1,4 with a centerline tank and 4 AAM.
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Document states that Rafale can supercruise with four missiles and a centerline tank, and that Rafale M can supercruise at Mach 1,4, but no configuration is given for the latter.
If memory serves me, Rafale C can reach Mach 1,3 with the above configuration (missiles + tank), meaning it can go Mach 1,4 with just missiles and Mach 1,5 clean.
I don't think a dive from 50k ft to 10k feet counts. Straight level flight, is a good thing to read after numbers. The Alt helps too.
When it is reported that just the IR pod pulls it back to M1.4. I really put this with the other fantasies. The laws of physics applies to the other 4/4.5 gen too.
When it is reported that just the IR pod pulls it back to M1.4. I really put this with the other fantasies. The laws of physics applies to the other 4/4.5 gen too.
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Can you please explain what you are talking about, becaise none of what you have written makes sense. What dive? What IR pod?
NO. The document say Rafale M can supercruise to mach 1,4 with a 1250L external tanks and 6 AAM !
ie a Rafale C, lighter, and with less weapon (4 AM ?) can easily go faster.
Read it again:
They allow it to supercruise with four missiles and a 1250 liter belly drop tank. The naval version (Rafale M) can supercruise up to Mach 1.4 while carrying six air-to-air missiles (MBDA MICA).
Now to code it:
They allow it to supercruise with four missiles and a 1250 liter belly drop tank. PERIOD The naval version (Rafale M) can supercruise up to Mach 1.4 while carrying six air-to-air missiles (MBDA MICA).
So the purple part of the text is about Rafale C. The blue part is about Rafale M, which is why it notes "The naval version (Rafale M)", because previous sentence was about Rafale C.
Now, it is true that it is likely that Rafale C can supercruise up to Mach 1.5 while carrying six air-to-air missiles with no drop tank. Otherwise there will have been no need to note that Mach 1.4 is for Rafale M. But the point is, we only have a statements that A) Rafale C can supercruise with four missiles and a belly drop tank and b) Rafale M can supercruise at Mach 1.4 with six air-to-air missiles. Those are the facts; everything else is an extrapolation.
There are a lot of "ifs" in this analysis, but the US will have to think about an in-depth reform of its project management. It is totally out of kilter. We have to stop entrusting this to soldiers, we have to entrust this to engineers who will be able to sort out the lies, half-truths or truths of the industriel management. To realise two years ago that the engine had to be upgraded was already a mistake, but to realise now that the TR3 without the new engine is worse than the TR2 is profound incompetence.
If I understand correctly, the JPO has stocks in TR2 (30) to mount two months of production. They did not anticipate that they would need more. If these are the famous "long lead items" ordered at least one year in advance, this could cause major production problems.
If the rumours are coming out just after the first flight of the TR3 it's not a good sign. I suspect that the TR3 is more power hungry than the TR2 and therefore worse from that point of view until the AETP is available. If this is true it is a disaster because it was hardly anticipated.
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F-35A cockpit
Credit: U.S. Air Force
A critical avionics refresh for the Lockheed Martin F-35 had been due to enter production later this year, but program officials now offer no firm timeline as a yearlong series of flight tests begins.
The Technology Refresh-3 (TR-3) program originally was expected to deliver a new integrated core processor, display system and aircraft memory unit starting with the first Lot 15 aircraft.
Two years ago, program officials acknowledged in congressional testimony that they were hedging for a slight delay for TR-3 deliveries, with the acquisition of about 30 TR-2 sets of hardware to avoid a break in the production line.
But program officials now say they are waiting for flight test data before TR-3 is approved to enter production on Lot 15 aircraft.
“The timing of deliveries will depend on the results of the flight testing,” a Joint Program Office (JPO) spokesman says.
The U.S. Air Force announced on Jan. 11 that the first F-35A test aircraft equipped with the avionics had entered flight testing, which service officials said was expected to continue through 2023.
But a delay in the sequencing of F-35 deliveries may help keep the TR-3 program on track for delivery in Lot 15.
Lockheed normally delivers aircraft in each yearly production lot according to their assigned order year. As the 15th lot of annual production, Lot 15 aircraft would normally begin deliveries at the start of calendar year 2023.
But Lockheed still has 72 aircraft from Lot 14 and one aircraft from Lot 13 in a production backlog due to supply chain disruption caused by the COVID-19 pandemic and other issues.
At current production rates of nearly six F-35s per month, it could take Lockheed until at least midyear to clear the backlog of Lot 13 and 14 jets. The company’s aircraft deliveries are typically back-loaded to the second half of the year, so that could extend the start of Lot 15 deliveries into late summer or the fall. Including the 30 TR-2 kits reserved in case of any further delays revealed by TR-3 flight testing, the start of deliveries of F-35s upgraded to the Lot 15 standard could slip to the fourth quarter.
Accordingly, keeping the TR-3 program on track for Lot 15 jets may depend on a relatively smooth flight testing program. But problems with developing TR-3 hardware and software caused a $330 million cost overrun in 2021, which prompted the JPO to halt Block 4 development in order to focus on resolving those issues. L3Harris delivered the improved integrated core processor for flight testing last July, but the Air Force did not start flight testing until several months later.
If TR-3 is not available on time, the JPO has informed the Government Accountability Office that it has options to keep F-35 production on track. If hardware testing is complete, the JPO can install TR-3 avionics on Lot 15 F-35s without the latest software, which could be retrofitted later. If the hardware also is delayed, Lot 15 jets can be delivered with TR-2 hardware and software until retrofits are available. But any such delay also creates timing issues for other Block 4 upgrades expected in Lots 16 and 17, including an electronic warfare upgrade coming in 2024 and a new radar arriving in 2025.
If I understand correctly, the JPO has stocks in TR2 (30) to mount two months of production. They did not anticipate that they would need more. If these are the famous "long lead items" ordered at least one year in advance, this could cause major production problems.
If the rumours are coming out just after the first flight of the TR3 it's not a good sign. I suspect that the TR3 is more power hungry than the TR2 and therefore worse from that point of view until the AETP is available. If this is true it is a disaster because it was hardly anticipated.
Flight Testing Paces Delivery Of Next F-35 Upgrade | Aviation Week Network
Program officials now say they are waiting for flight test data before Technology Refresh 3 is approved to enter production on Lot 15 aircraft.
aviationweek.com
Flight Testing Paces Delivery Of Next F-35 Upgrade
Steve Trimble January 18, 2023
F-35A cockpit
Credit: U.S. Air Force
A critical avionics refresh for the Lockheed Martin F-35 had been due to enter production later this year, but program officials now offer no firm timeline as a yearlong series of flight tests begins.
The Technology Refresh-3 (TR-3) program originally was expected to deliver a new integrated core processor, display system and aircraft memory unit starting with the first Lot 15 aircraft.
Two years ago, program officials acknowledged in congressional testimony that they were hedging for a slight delay for TR-3 deliveries, with the acquisition of about 30 TR-2 sets of hardware to avoid a break in the production line.
But program officials now say they are waiting for flight test data before TR-3 is approved to enter production on Lot 15 aircraft.
“The timing of deliveries will depend on the results of the flight testing,” a Joint Program Office (JPO) spokesman says.
The U.S. Air Force announced on Jan. 11 that the first F-35A test aircraft equipped with the avionics had entered flight testing, which service officials said was expected to continue through 2023.
But a delay in the sequencing of F-35 deliveries may help keep the TR-3 program on track for delivery in Lot 15.
Lockheed normally delivers aircraft in each yearly production lot according to their assigned order year. As the 15th lot of annual production, Lot 15 aircraft would normally begin deliveries at the start of calendar year 2023.
But Lockheed still has 72 aircraft from Lot 14 and one aircraft from Lot 13 in a production backlog due to supply chain disruption caused by the COVID-19 pandemic and other issues.
At current production rates of nearly six F-35s per month, it could take Lockheed until at least midyear to clear the backlog of Lot 13 and 14 jets. The company’s aircraft deliveries are typically back-loaded to the second half of the year, so that could extend the start of Lot 15 deliveries into late summer or the fall. Including the 30 TR-2 kits reserved in case of any further delays revealed by TR-3 flight testing, the start of deliveries of F-35s upgraded to the Lot 15 standard could slip to the fourth quarter.
Accordingly, keeping the TR-3 program on track for Lot 15 jets may depend on a relatively smooth flight testing program. But problems with developing TR-3 hardware and software caused a $330 million cost overrun in 2021, which prompted the JPO to halt Block 4 development in order to focus on resolving those issues. L3Harris delivered the improved integrated core processor for flight testing last July, but the Air Force did not start flight testing until several months later.
If TR-3 is not available on time, the JPO has informed the Government Accountability Office that it has options to keep F-35 production on track. If hardware testing is complete, the JPO can install TR-3 avionics on Lot 15 F-35s without the latest software, which could be retrofitted later. If the hardware also is delayed, Lot 15 jets can be delivered with TR-2 hardware and software until retrofits are available. But any such delay also creates timing issues for other Block 4 upgrades expected in Lots 16 and 17, including an electronic warfare upgrade coming in 2024 and a new radar arriving in 2025.
This badass A-10 has "killed" everything and everyone, including an F-16 AND an F-22 👀 Must have been an epic dogfight! #avgeeks #aviation #aviationdaily #aviationlovers #USAF pic.twitter.com/3vFrdAqPVh
— Air Power (@RealAirPower1) January 26, 2023
While sweetie was busy selling us his trailer park snake oil masquerading as "intelligent analysis " on why the A-10 is past it's sell by date, this is what the sneaky Warthog pulled off. @Innominate
Spanish publications are reporting that, likely following the election in December 2023, that there will be a Project Halcon 2 to replace the remaining EF-18 Hornet. It will be made up of an additional 25 x Typhoon and 25 x F-35.
The 25 Eurofighter number is interesting, as when I reported Spain had requested information on 25 F-35As and 25 F-35Bs Spanish milTwitter went into meltdown.
— Gareth Jennings (@GarethJennings3) January 29, 2023
(some turkish trolling)
#Turkiye / #USA:
— Tugay Er (@er_tugay_) January 29, 2023
„Countries that bought the F-35 say they can't use the plane without permission from the US. The most advanced solution you outsource is far worse than even the most mediocre technology you build with your own skills."
- @BaykarTech CTO: Selcuk Bayraktar pic.twitter.com/vccr1nMdI6
Very nice video about F-22:
Finally reveals real flight envelope of the mighty Raptor. Don't think any plane till date still matches it:
However, don't agree with what he said about maneuverability cause Su-30MKI is much more maneuverable than the Raptor and Su-35S and Su-57 too.
Finally reveals real flight envelope of the mighty Raptor. Don't think any plane till date still matches it:
However, don't agree with what he said about maneuverability cause Su-30MKI is much more maneuverable than the Raptor and Su-35S and Su-57 too.
Given the Turks aren't getting near a F-35. You may be right. Though the French make better trolls. The F-35 gets deeper under their skin.
The Americans have grounded F-35Is by forbidding some Kheil HaAvir pilots to fly with.
Israeli Pilots with Foreign Passports Barred by US from Flying IAF F-35I Adir Stealth Fighter Aircraft - The Aviation Geek Club
Israeli Pilots with Foreign Passports Barred by US from Flying IAF F-35I Adir Stealth Fighter Aircraft
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See what I mean, the Frogs are much better trolls.The Americans have grounded F-35Is by forbidding some Kheil HaAvir pilots to fly with.
Israeli Pilots with Foreign Passports Barred by US from Flying IAF F-35I Adir Stealth Fighter Aircraft - The Aviation Geek Club
Israeli Pilots with Foreign Passports Barred by US from Flying IAF F-35I Adir Stealth Fighter Aircrafttheaviationgeekclub.com
To be seen.
But F22 is mainly made for BVR fight. WVR combat is only a last option. => 6 AMRAAM for the BVR, only 2 AIM9 for WVR. Canon for warning shot.
