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What is your favorite for MMRCA 2.0 ?

  • F-35 Blk 4

    Votes: 29 12.4%
  • Rafale F4

    Votes: 184 79.0%
  • Eurofighter Typhoon T3

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Gripen E/F

    Votes: 6 2.6%
  • F-16 B70

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • F-18 SH

    Votes: 10 4.3%
  • F-15EX

    Votes: 8 3.4%
  • Mig-35

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    233
Rafale F4 Votes: 17779.0%

Eurofighter Typhoon T3

Votes: 3 1.3%
He's referring to an article by an unreliable website claiming Eurofighter Consortium will offer EF at a quarter cost less be cutting their own margins and shifting the assemblies in Europe to a consolidated one in India.

Ofcourse there is no way to verify that this indeed is the offer. Because it's just 1 unreliable website now.
 
Apparently they are going to get very aggressive regarding MRFA tender. French should be worried.
MRFA : you mean MMRCA2 ? In this case the fact taht Rafale is already in the IAF is a definitive nail in the EF coffin in India.

EF2000 was studied as a pure interceptor. It is potent but not brillant in this role. The very conservative choices made for its design are irrelevant for a real air to ground capacity. internal fuel a little bit short, and not able to carry heavy external tanks...
Add a late integration of AESA radar (pure virgin radar, when the french AESA can rely on all the software refinement of PESA variant).
=> I don't see a bright future for this old school bird.
 
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He's referring to an article by an unreliable website claiming Eurofighter Consortium will offer EF at a quarter cost less be cutting their own margins and shifting the assemblies in Europe to a consolidated one in India.

Ofcourse there is no way to verify that this indeed is the offer. Because it's just 1 unreliable website now.
I remember a very near story, about Mirage 2000 line.
 
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MRFA : you mean MMRCA2 ? In this case the fact taht Rafale is already in the IAF is a definitive nail in the EF coffin in India.

EF2000 was studied as a pure interceptor. It is potent but not brillant in this role. The very conservative choices made for its design are irrelevant for a real air to ground capacity. internal fuel a little bit short, and not able to carry heavy external tanks...
Add a late integration of AESA radar (pure virgin radar, when the french AESA can rely on all the software refinement of PESA variant).
=> I don't see a bright future for this old school bird.
Yes, EF-2000 is a one trick pony unlike versatile Rafale. Yet both of them met all criteria set by IAF for MMRCA 1.0. That's why both made it to the final 2.

Now if EF consortium offers(rumour so far), EF at 35% discounted prices and deep TOT then they would make a strong case to IAF and GOI for their selection. Unlike Dassault(whose order book is full), they are desperate to sell Typhoon to India.

We will have more Rafales for our Navy and air force with or without MRFA. But if the above rumour is true then French need to up their game by offering more tech at less price to win MRFA over other competitors. That was my sole point.
 
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4 MICA EM, 2 MICA IR, 2 Meteor, 1 SCALP, 2 x 2000 litre tanks

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And you can replace the SCALP with an ASMP-A
 

Dassault Aviation, French Military Integrate Donecle Drones For Rafale​

Jeremy Kariuki June 27, 2023
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Rafale Credit: Dassault Aviation​

Dassault Aviation and the French Armed Forces’ Aircraft Maintenance Division (DMAé) have agreed to implement the Donecle’s AirScan artificial intelligence (AI) drone inspection service for Rafale aircraft.
Donecle says the AirScan service was made possible by its collaboration with Dassault via their technical expertise and software solutions. Over the past five years, Donecle and Dassault have tested the use of AirScan for airframe inspections on the Rafale, the Atlantique 2 and the Falcon family.
“Our duty as defense contractors is to support our armed forces. The vertical agreements underpinning these life cycle contracts are based on the principles of a single prime contractor, comprehensive services and a long service life,” says Bruno Chevalier, Dassault senior executive vice president, Military Customer Support.
An initial agreement signed in 2020 allowed the DMAé to develop and test the service through its “F4 Standard” modernization program under the supervision of the French Defense Procurement Agency (DGA). Throughout the program, the drones were used on a trial basis on multiple air and naval bases.
The new contract will deliver about 10 drone kits to various Rafale bases and the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier—a world first for at-sea aircraft inspections.
“We need to modernize our resources if we are to meet this commitment, and it is essential that we bring our capacity for innovation to our armed forces,” Chevalier says. “This first contract for the AirScan service on the Rafale paves the way for the modernization of resources and services deployed on other Dassault Aviation aircraft, whether civil or military.”
 
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The RBE2 XG Radar began its development with the launch of a development study. XG stands for Extended Generation. This new radar will use GaN technology to increase the radar's capabilities, including its range. The radar will also have a much greater computing capacity than current radars, giving it the ability to detect other types of target that were not previously imagined. This new radar will be even better suited to detecting low-RCS threats. This radar will be tested on the ground in 2025, in flight in 2028, and should be operationally available for the F5 standard in the early 2030s.
 
The RBE2 XG Radar began its development with the launch of a development study. XG stands for Extended Generation. This new radar will use GaN technology to increase the radar's capabilities, including its range. The radar will also have a much greater computing capacity than current radars, giving it the ability to detect other types of target that were not previously imagined. This new radar will be even better suited to detecting low-RCS threats. This radar will be tested on the ground in 2025, in flight in 2028, and should be operationally available for the F5 standard in the early 2030s.
The general armaments engineer, director of the RAFALE program at the General Directorate of armaments (DGA), is called... Arvind Badrinath :D
 
The RBE2 XG Radar began its development with the launch of a development study. XG stands for Extended Generation. This new radar will use GaN technology to increase the radar's capabilities, including its range. The radar will also have a much greater computing capacity than current radars, giving it the ability to detect other types of target that were not previously imagined. This new radar will be even better suited to detecting low-RCS threats. This radar will be tested on the ground in 2025, in flight in 2028, and should be operationally available for the F5 standard in the early 2030s.
 
404, this link works:

Gallium and Germanium can both be sourced from European countries such as Germany, Slovakia, Finland, or the United Kingdom. The USA are also a producer, as are Japan and South Korea. While China has a dominant position, this is mostly due to their practice of subsidizing their production to undercut competitors; if they start doing export controls it just means production elsewhere will be able to resume at full scale.
 
The general armaments engineer, director of the RAFALE program at the General Directorate of armaments (DGA), is called... Arvind Badrinath :D
@Arvind congrats
 
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404, this link works:

Gallium and Germanium can both be sourced from European countries such as Germany, Slovakia, Finland, or the United Kingdom. The USA are also a producer, as are Japan and South Korea. While China has a dominant position, this is mostly due to their practice of subsidizing their production to undercut competitors; if they start doing export controls it just means production elsewhere will be able to resume at full scale.
This article is purely nonsense. Like most Indian news, gallium is a byproduct of alumina production and is not a subsidy at all. The vast majority of gallium in the world comes from China and Russia,
The biggest problem is that alumina production not only requires huge electricity consumption, but also is in a surplus state. Rebuilding alumina production lines to produce gallium will mean huge losses
Similarly, germanium is a byproduct of zinc, and the West faces significant losses in the production of zinc again
 
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This article is purely nonsense. Like most Indian news, gallium is a byproduct of alumina production and is not a subsidy at all. The vast majority of gallium in the world comes from China and Russia,
The biggest problem is that alumina production not only requires huge electricity consumption, but also is in a surplus state. Rebuilding alumina production lines to produce gallium will mean huge losses
Similarly, germanium is a byproduct of zinc, and the West faces significant losses in the production of zinc again
India has huge amounts of Bauxite ore and coal(for Gallium) and Zinc ore for germanium. Yes refining is an issue. But with growing demand, we may substitute China in the global market in the coming years.