MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions
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Nobody is making money on this that's the problem. This is a classic case of bureaucratic paralysis. Even corruption would be preferable to this shitshow.This MMRCA program is basically a money making scheme for Politicians, MOD employees & Air force Jarnels. Money keep flowing, foreign tours, secret pleasure tours in hotelsetc etc.
The best alternative for Rafale, un matched range, cutting edge avionics, cutting edge weaponry F15EX is a beast. If IAF( israel) can target iran that far, then IAF can do similar thing on Chinese mainlands.
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Iran-Israel War: Why is Israel acquiring 50-year-old fighter jets? Check what makes these old warplanes deadlier than modern variants
Amidst the looming threat of an all-out Iran-Israel war, Israel's Defense Ministry said the country will purchase 25 F-15IA fighter planes, with an option to procure an additional 25 in the future, from US aerospace giant Boeing.
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The problem of Israël is that their aerial bases are very weak against Iran missiles particularly Hatzerim (F-15) and NEVATIM (F-35). If F-15 can use easily other bases that's not the cas of the F-35. F-35 need a very special MCO for its engine, its canopy and its skin. That makes F-35 very easy target to shoot.The best alternative for Rafale, un matched range, cutting edge avionics, cutting edge weaponry F15EX is a beast. If IAF( israel) can target iran that far, then IAF can do similar thing on Chinese mainlands.
Iran-Israel War: Why is Israel acquiring 50-year-old fighter jets? Check what makes these old warplanes deadlier than modern variants
Amidst the looming threat of an all-out Iran-Israel war, Israel's Defense Ministry said the country will purchase 25 F-15IA fighter planes, with an option to procure an additional 25 in the future, from US aerospace giant Boeing.
No evolved 4.5gen like F15-EX(or F-16V/F-21, Su-30MKI, Su-35S, etc.) can match a born 4.5 gen like Rafale(or Typhoon, Gripen etc.). No matter how much you may evolve them, their design lacks the finesse and other advance tech/solution.The best alternative for Rafale, un matched range, cutting edge avionics, cutting edge weaponry F15EX is a beast. If IAF( israel) can target iran that far, then IAF can do similar thing on Chinese mainlands.
Iran-Israel War: Why is Israel acquiring 50-year-old fighter jets? Check what makes these old warplanes deadlier than modern variants
Amidst the looming threat of an all-out Iran-Israel war, Israel's Defense Ministry said the country will purchase 25 F-15IA fighter planes, with an option to procure an additional 25 in the future, from US aerospace giant Boeing.
If not Rafale then Typhoon is the next safe bet along with Gripen E. However, IAF ONLY wants Rafale. Nothing more, nothing less.
How is it that, with such a strong will, they have not yet obtained satisfaction? Is this some kind of contempt for the institution?
Politicians don't have strong will to order more Rafales. This has been the biggest disaster for us of the past 10-12 years as we should have ordered 120 Rafales in one go.
Just imagine 120 IAF Rafales carrying 6 Meteors each and entire PLAAF & PAF would have been sh**ng their pants. But alas
Yesterday you were advocated for another 60 mki i guess.
IAF already have a 'F15 like' jet : Su30 Mki.The best alternative for Rafale, un matched range, cutting edge avionics, cutting edge weaponry F15EX is a beast. If IAF( israel) can target iran that far, then IAF can do similar thing on Chinese mainlands.
Iran-Israel War: Why is Israel acquiring 50-year-old fighter jets? Check what makes these old warplanes deadlier than modern variants
Amidst the looming threat of an all-out Iran-Israel war, Israel's Defense Ministry said the country will purchase 25 F-15IA fighter planes, with an option to procure an additional 25 in the future, from US aerospace giant Boeing.
The best is to upgrade them with AESA, new electronic support systems, new weapons than purchase a new but nearly similar jet.
MKI is only F15 like aircraft, its not an Eagle.
The upgradatioon won't bring mki to the F15 EX level atleast for the first batches. Upgraded may be a better option than mk1a, i don't even think that it will even match LCA mk2. F15 EX is almost ready with cutting edge technologies which we cannot develop in house with in next decade.
Given that Boeing didn't offer the F-15 last time, it would be the only new jet on offer for MRFA.
The USAF is buying the jet itself so the IAF is assured spares, support and a long term upgrade roadmap.
For the foreseeable future, Boeing will be banking heavily on its mil portfolio to get back into the green.
So if they offer a good deal on ToT and access to LR weapons like JASSM-ER (which has been denied to allies like SoKo in the past) +USAF spec AIM-120D, it could well be one of the finalists.
OTOH, the IAF is already top-heavy with the 272-strong MKI fleet forming the bulk of its fleet.
Buying another twin-engine heavy ac could break the IAFs OPEX budget.
Also with the INs Rafale-M deal close to finalization, a new ac type for the IAF appears unlikely. But an interesting prospect nonetheless.
The USAF is buying the jet itself so the IAF is assured spares, support and a long term upgrade roadmap.
For the foreseeable future, Boeing will be banking heavily on its mil portfolio to get back into the green.
So if they offer a good deal on ToT and access to LR weapons like JASSM-ER (which has been denied to allies like SoKo in the past) +USAF spec AIM-120D, it could well be one of the finalists.
OTOH, the IAF is already top-heavy with the 272-strong MKI fleet forming the bulk of its fleet.
Buying another twin-engine heavy ac could break the IAFs OPEX budget.
Also with the INs Rafale-M deal close to finalization, a new ac type for the IAF appears unlikely. But an interesting prospect nonetheless.
Based on the current state of IAF,I will be happy if the choose any of the following one 1)Rafale, 2)F15EX, 3)EFT & 4)F16.
Gripen is good, but we have mk1a & mk2 is coming. Big no to any Russians jets including su57( if offered).
India already have the UTAAM radar. I hope it will be ready soon.
Electronic support systems : I don't know.
But as all the US weapons, only the very closed ally have the full spectrum ones.
Saudi Arabia and Egypt for exemple are not alowed to have the finest ones (how potent is a F15 with AIM7 Sparrow against F16 with AMRAAM ?). So is India : an ally but not a close ally. India will never have the full spectrum F15EX (radar and ECM with limitations).
F16 was not found a suitable option during MMRCA 1 field tests. And it is a competitor (as Gripen) to Tejas. So forgot that option.
Su57 may be a solution, but only to replace MKI. so not before 15 years.
Despite being given a clean chit by the Supreme Court, the GoI seems to be walking on egg-shells when it comes to choosing Rafale for MRFA. If they go the tender route, which appears likely, the choice could once again be between Rafale and EFT. They'd keep EFT in the race more as a bargaining chip (in negotiations with Dassault) than on tactical or commercial/industrial grounds imo.
The IAF has a known policy of not buying US fighters but GoI might do it anyway in return for the US reining in the so-called Khalistanis and stopping its meddling in the North East. Either that or we're going to see a flurry of deals signed with them for MQ-9B, more P-8I, Apache, Chinook, or even Stryker.
Personally I want IAF to buy f-15EX to replace the jaguars, perfect cas replacement. Rafales will replace the mirages and the typhoons will replace the mig29. That's how it's supposed to be.
The typhoon fits the same role as the mig 29 for air superiority. The f-15EX is essentially a bomb truck that can go mach 2.5 and has a payload equivalent of the su-34. The rafales replace the mirage with its omnirole solution as well as decent mid altitude combat. The IAF needs all three. Mk1a replaces the mig21,23,27 while mk2 replaces the mig23, and mirage role.
The su-30 is essentially the backbone of the IAF but flankers are primarily designed for air superiority and aerial defence. They can't do the precision bombing of the f-15EX and neither was it designed for CAS and tank killing. The f-15E was essentially a tank killer and cas bomber all over iraq, afghanistan and middle east.
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Aktuelle Entwicklungen im Projekt Future Combat Air System
Current developments in the Future Combat Air System project
In addition, French Defence Minister Sébastien Lecornu is firmly convinced that France, India, the United Arab Emirates and Indonesia will work together to develop the Rafale F5 standard. He also believes that the design and construction of a possible Rafale F6 Standard variant from the mid-2030s is conceivable between the countries (www.defense-aerospace.com/signs-point-to-germany-and-airbus-bei ng-eased-out-of-scaf/).
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Current developments in the Future Combat Air System project
In addition, French Defence Minister Sébastien Lecornu is firmly convinced that France, India, the United Arab Emirates and Indonesia will work together to develop the Rafale F5 standard. He also believes that the design and construction of a possible Rafale F6 Standard variant from the mid-2030s is conceivable between the countries (www.defense-aerospace.com/signs-point-to-germany-and-airbus-bei ng-eased-out-of-scaf/).
F15EX is not just an aircraft with AESA radar.
It a tender, yeas India can insist the weaponry if F15EX pass through the tender. None of the arab countries conducted any open tender while selecting their aircraft. Also if i am not wrong, Boeing earlier assured all weapons available for FA18 SH while pitching SH for India.
F16 they offering is dar superior than MKI we are operating. And no, unlike Gripen F16 is a medium category aircraft and is no competitor to LCA.
In my opinion should be the logical choice is F15EX, reason is IAF wants jet as early as possible. Rafale cannot do that.
EFT, UK decided not to go for EFT and go for F35,means its future is not bright for the home countries.
F16,is good. But PAF factor will play an unnecessary negative sentiment.
Gripen, Mig 35 & SU 35 a big no.
Only F16 & F15 can meet the rapid production rate, an f15 is the only aircraft didn't have any negatives among these two.
Tbf the super hornet won't be a bad option either and we could get the entire production line easily. The f-15 might bring a few problems although it seems cheaper than the rafale.
You expect India purchasing 3 differents fighters (with the support nightmare it intends) when it had only purchase a small batch of 36 these last 10 years !
You are a dreamer.
Boeing may say everything. At the end it's the US senate that decide.