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    Votes: 31 13.1%
  • Rafale F4

    Votes: 187 78.9%
  • Eurofighter Typhoon T3

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Gripen E/F

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • F-16 B70

    Votes: 1 0.4%
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    Votes: 9 3.8%
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First shot of the Thales BAT 120 ammunition

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A Mirage 2000D managed to fire a BAT120 GL ammunition. © DGA COM

Thales announced that a French Mirage 2000D had made the first piloted fire of the prototype BAT-120 GL.

Thales announced that last June a Mirage 2000D belonging to the French Air Force led the first shot of the laser-guided BAT-120 ammunition. The test was conducted from the test center of the DGA located in Biscarosse. "This shot made it possible to test for the first time the behavior of the prototype of the BAT-120 GL piloted with the orders of the system of correction of trajectory resulting from the laser guided rocket and developed by Thales", reported the industrialist. The ammunition has managed to reach its target without problem, correcting its trajectory at the appropriate time.

The accuracy of this 35-kilogram ammunition will allow the armed forces to conduct targeted strikes and "reduce the risk of collateral damage to level 0 while increasing the ability to strike," Thales said. In fact, three BAT-120 GL ammunition can be carried in place of a GBU12 bomb. Thales has also developed this munition so that it can adapt to the new conflict environment, namely urban areas. Thales has relied on its skills in the defense community to enable the development of the BAT-120 GL. The manufacturer was inspired by the BAP-120: the two ammunition make the same pea and about the same size. As for the laser guidance system, Thales has adopted the principle of guided rockets implemented by Tiger helicopters.

In order to validate the capabilities of this ammunition, new tests will soon be conducted, which will include a guided metric precision shot.

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First shot of the Thales BAT 120 ammunition


Thales announced that a French Mirage 2000D had made the first piloted fire of the prototype BAT-120 GL.

Thales announced that last June a Mirage 2000D belonging to the French Air Force led the first shot of the laser-guided BAT-120 ammunition. The test was conducted from the test center of the DGA located in Biscarosse. "This shot made it possible to test for the first time the behavior of the prototype of the BAT-120 GL piloted with the orders of the system of correction of trajectory resulting from the laser guided rocket and developed by Thales", reported the industrialist. The ammunition has managed to reach its target without problem, correcting its trajectory at the appropriate time.

The accuracy of this 35-kilogram ammunition will allow the armed forces to conduct targeted strikes and "reduce the risk of collateral damage to level 0 while increasing the ability to strike," Thales said. In fact, three BAT-120 GL ammunition can be carried in place of a GBU12 bomb. Thales has also developed this munition so that it can adapt to the new conflict environment, namely urban areas. Thales has relied on its skills in the defense community to enable the development of the BAT-120 GL. The manufacturer was inspired by the BAP-120: the two ammunition make the same pea and about the same size. As for the laser guidance system, Thales has adopted the principle of guided rockets implemented by Tiger helicopters.

In order to validate the capabilities of this ammunition, new tests will soon be conducted, which will include a guided metric precision shot.

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Have they released range figures for this?
 
Bulgaria announces F-16V Block 70 procurement to replace ageing MiG-29s
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The Bulgarian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has announced a plan to procure eight F-16V Block 70 fighter jets aimed at replacing its Soviet-designed MiG-29s.

On Friday, Bulgaria’s defense ministry commission recommended that the government starts talks with the United States to buy new F-16V Block 70 fighter aircraft to improve its compliance with NATO standards.

“The acquisition of a new multipurpose fighter such as F-16V Block 70 from the United States, equipped with the latest generation radar and weaponry will improve significantly the combat capabilities of the Bulgarian air forces,” Bulgaria’s Defense Minister Krasimir Karakachanov told reporters on Friday.

Apart from the new Lockheed Martin F-16 jets the United States also proposed new Boeing F-18 Super Hornets. The ministry, however, said it that offer did not meet the tender requirements.

The Lockheed Martin F-16V Block 70/72 is the latest and most advanced F-16 on the market today. The F-16 Block 70/72 configuration includes numerous enhancements designed to keep the F-16 at the forefront of international security, strengthening its position as the world’s foremost combat-proven 4th Generation multi-role fighter aircraft.

The F-16 Block 70/72 provides advanced combat capabilities in a scalable and affordable package. The core of the F-16 Block 70/72 configuration is an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, a modern commercial off-the-shelf (COTS)-based avionics subsystem, a large-format, high-resolution display; and a high-volume, high-speed data bus.

“From what I’ve discussed with pilots, they say F-16 Block 70 are significantly better aircraft than the others they offer us – the old Eurofighters and the Gripens,” Prime Minister Boyko said on 14 December.

Also, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to a press release from December 20 said that: “The United States is committed to working with the Bulgarian government to tailor the final scope of a potential F-16 sale to fit its budgetary and operational requirements, while still offering superior capabilities”.

“The United States looks forward to completing final negotiations with the Bulgarian government,” the press release concluded.

But it is worth noting that the Bulgarian President Rumen Radev said about “a triumph of lobbyist” during the choice of a new fighter for the needs of the country’s air force.

“I don’t want to protect this or that type of aircraft, they are all beautiful to me, I flew them. But I want to protect the selection process, which should be transparent, open and objective,” he said on the air of a local radio station.

He added that the U.S. F-16 fighters are very expensive, including in operation. And put the United States cannot earlier than six years. Until that time, the country will have to build an infrastructure for them at its own expense.

Bulgaria announces F-16V Block 70 procurement to replace ageing MiG-29s
 
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No comparison to Brimstone/JAGM and pretty disappointing, when you consider that AASM 125 with the laser seeker offers exactly the same capability already. Even reports that the cost of AASM is getting reduced, by deleting the rocket propulsion, shows how nonsense this new development is.

Either way, it's sad how little use they got out of AASMs potential, mainly because of the narrow view, to remain without a wing kit, like anybody else in the world and to keep the 125 in the same size as the 250.


Edit, just saw on another pic that 6 will be carried on the centerline of the Mirage.
 
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...The original contract, regarding development and modification of Gripen E, signed with FMV in February 2013, was based on the terms that certain equipment from the existing Gripen C/D fleet within the Swedish Armed Forces should be reused.

Instead of reusing equipment from the Gripen C/D, new equipment is acquired for a part of the total Swedish order of 60 Gripen E aircraft...

That shows one of the major differences between the Gripen proposal in MMRCA 1.0 and now. Back then it had no real orders and the full potential of a new version, no matter what techs were demonstrated in the Gripen NG. Sweden only planed to mix up old and new parts, while the new Gripen E is developed as a completely new version and thx to Brazil, it also got several more techs and weapons, that would not had been available for Sweden.
 
Why Rahul Gandhi’s Parliament Gaffe Is An Ironic Self-Goal On India’s Jet Crisis

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On January 2 in India’s parliament, Rahul Gandhi, leader of the country’s principal opposition party, the Indian National Congress, led the latest in a string of aggressive attacks on the ruling Narendra Modi government over the 2016 Rafale deal. The speech was part of a debate his party had finally agreed to just days after India’s Supreme Court sweepingly rejected demandsfor a probe into the acquisition on allegations that it was a deal that involved corrupt compromises. But as Mr Gandhi was settling into his familiar acerbic cadence of charges, he allowed himself a stray comment while attempting to illustrate how the off-the-shelf purchase of 36 Rafale jets had deprived India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) the chance to build the aircraft on Indian soil.

It was a telling, glaring error.

“Gnat… MiG-27… Mirage 2000… all HAL-built aircraft,” Rahul Gandhi said, hoping to establish that aircraft acquired under administrations led by his party in the past, had gone on to be built in India. It was an attempt to jeer at the Narendra Modi government’s vaunted ‘Make in India’ program that has sought to make India a hub for manufacture. While Livefist fact-checked the obvious error in Mr Gandhi’s assertions — and it is unlikely that the error hasn’t been brought to his notice — the gaffe ironically strikes at the very heart of India’s present fighter aircraft conundrum.

Unlike the Gnat and MiG-27, the French Mirage 2000 was never built by HAL, despite an offer that ran for over two decades to do so. And Rahul Gandhi’s error in asserting that it was an HAL-built jet actually amplifies the little known but damning genesis of the current fighter quagmire, where squadron numbers stand bedeviled by budgets, the monstrous cascading effect of poor planning and an ad-hoc acquisition ethic.

By most accounts, it actually began by a Congress government’s decision not to build 110 Mirage 2000 jets at HAL in the eighties, and instead simply settle for 40 jets bought off the shelf from Dassault Aviation’s factory in Bordeaux.

Simply put, the irony is this: if the Congress government, in the eighties, had actually decided to accept a French government offer to license build 110 Mirage 2000 jets in country by HAL instead of acquiring only a pair of squadrons off the shelf from France, a significant part of the country’s squadron woes — not all, mind you — would likely have been stemmed at the source. By all accounts, the Mirage 2000 has proven to be the sturdiest, most reliable jet in Indian military service.

Air Marshal Anil Chopra (Retd.), who as a young Squadron Leader, was part of the team that ferried India’s first Mirage 2000H jets back from France in the mid-eighties is among a large section of the Indian Air Force that rues what they believe was a historic faux pas that the country is still paying for today.

“The Mirage 2000 was selected in 1980s to counter the F-16 sale to Pakistan. The aircraft has been most versatile and has maintained a very high mission success rate. It also for the first time brought in a modern air intercept radar and comprehensive electronic warfare suite. Since the contract signing in 1982, the French had offered Mirage license production in India — an offer that was open till 2006. The IAF was and is very happy with the aircraft. It had proved a game changer during Kargil. If the decision to make Mirage 2000 in India had been made then, IAF would not have been in the numbers and capability mess it is today,” says Air Marshal Chopra, who commanded the 1 Squadron ‘Tigers’ at Gwalior.

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Wing Commander Anil Chopra seen extreme right in 1985 in Bordeaux, France before the first ferry flight of a Mirage 2000 back to India.

In 1984, the Congress government with Indira Gandhi as Prime Minister ordered 40 Mirage 2000 jets with France. As this report from that time indicates, an offer to build a full HAL-administered Mirage 2000 production line in India was turned down by the government after the then Soviet Union successfully persuaded the Indira Gandhi administration to also purchase MiG-29 jets.

In India Today journalist Dilip Bobb’s words from this 1984 dispatch, ‘Dassault’s worry extends beyond mere financial considerations. It is more rooted in the nature of the competition that has forced the Indian Government to review the second part of the Mirage contract; namely, the Soviet Union. Or, to be more specific, the MiG-29. The first sign that an attempt to scuttle the Mirage-2000 production programme was being made came when the Soviets offered India the MiG-29 the latest in their inventory (it is meant to enter Soviet operational service in 1985), during Defence Minister R. Venkatraman’s visit to Moscow last August. The offer was repeated during Soviet Defence Minister Marshal Dmitri Ustinov’s visit to New Delhi a few months later.

In other words, the government of the day procured two separate jet types — the Mirage 2000 and MiG-29 — without choosing to license build either at HAL, settling instead for flyaway deals that only involved aircraft built in the makers’ factories in France and the USSR. Both aircraft types are currently involved in complex upgrade programs to improve capabilities and performance.

The French offer to build Mirage 2000 jets in India stood for 22 years from 1984-2006. After the Kargil War in 1999, the Indian Air Force strenuously argued with the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government of the day for more Mirage 2000 fighters, willing to even settle for the older Mirage 2000H variant, instead of the new 2000-5 variant that was now being built on Dassault’s line. A final opportunity to build the Mirage 2000 was finally dismissed, with a decision taken to conduct a contest for new fighters.

It was in 2006, on the threshold of India’s M-MRCA fighter contest, that Dassault Aviation finally pulled the Mirage offer, and replaced it with a pitch of the Rafale jet. The M-MRCA contest, which intended to buy 126 fighters, with most built in India, finally collapsed, resulting in a truncated deal for 36 jets in 2016.

The decision not to build the Mirage 2000 in India — clearly based on political considerations, since the IAF was near unanimously in favour of more Mirage jets — also exacerbated the Indian Air Force’s inventory nightmare, where it stands saddled with a multiplicity of different aircraft types, eroding the possibility of infrastructural efficiencies and economies on either aircraft.

Air Marshal Padamjit Singh Ahluwalia (Retd.), who commanded the Gwalior Air Force Station during the Kargil war, and oversaw the use of the base’s Mirage 2000 squadrons in precision bombings of Pakistani positions, has long held that India’s decision not to grab the offer of a Mirage 2000 production line in the eighties has had a damaging and compounding effect on India’s fighter aircraft situation.

Writing in Deccan Herald in 2016, Ahluwalia, who went on to command the IAF’s frontline Western Air Command, struck at the heart of the inventory nightmare: ‘The IAF has different fighter aircraft in its inventory. The MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-27, MiG-29, Jaguar, Mirage 2000, SU-30MK1 and Tejas (LCA) are presently flying. Rafale would be the ninth variety. This is undoubtedly a nightmare for maintenance, logistics activity and operational planning, and training of both ground crew and aircrew also becomes difficult. Eight types of transporters and six different helicopters only add to the magnitude of the difficulty.’

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The first batches of Mirage pilots in France for training in the eighties. Ahluwalia is fourth from right standing

In effect, the Congress government in the eighties did precisely what the Congress Party now accuses the Narendra Modi government of doing — turning down the option of building an aircraft in India and instead deciding to buy more aircraft of a totally different variety. And it was this act that has had a snowball effect on India’s fighter strength and planning.

India is on the threshold of a contest to choose which foreign fighter it will build 114 of in India through a strategic partnership with a private sector company. The Rafale squares off against the American F/A-18, F-16, Swedish Gripen E, Russian MiG-35 and Su-35 and the European Eurofighter Typhoon. India’s first of 36 Rafale jets arrive in September this year.
 
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Why Rahul Gandhi’s Parliament Gaffe Is An Ironic Self-Goal On India’s Jet Crisis

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...an-ironic-self-goal-on-indias-jet-crisis.html

On January 2 in India’s parliament, Rahul Gandhi, leader of the country’s principal opposition party, the Indian National Congress, led the latest in a string of aggressive attacks on the ruling Narendra Modi government over the 2016 Rafale deal. The speech was part of a debate his party had finally agreed to just days after India’s Supreme Court sweepingly rejected demandsfor a probe into the acquisition on allegations that it was a deal that involved corrupt compromises. But as Mr Gandhi was settling into his familiar acerbic cadence of charges, he allowed himself a stray comment while attempting to illustrate how the off-the-shelf purchase of 36 Rafale jets had deprived India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) the chance to build the aircraft on Indian soil.

It was a telling, glaring error.

“Gnat… MiG-27… Mirage 2000… all HAL-built aircraft,” Rahul Gandhi said, hoping to establish that aircraft acquired under administrations led by his party in the past, had gone on to be built in India. It was an attempt to jeer at the Narendra Modi government’s vaunted ‘Make in India’ program that has sought to make India a hub for manufacture. While Livefist fact-checked the obvious error in Mr Gandhi’s assertions — and it is unlikely that the error hasn’t been brought to his notice — the gaffe ironically strikes at the very heart of India’s present fighter aircraft conundrum.

Unlike the Gnat and MiG-27, the French Mirage 2000 was never built by HAL, despite an offer that ran for over two decades to do so. And Rahul Gandhi’s error in asserting that it was an HAL-built jet actually amplifies the little known but damning genesis of the current fighter quagmire, where squadron numbers stand bedeviled by budgets, the monstrous cascading effect of poor planning and an ad-hoc acquisition ethic.

By most accounts, it actually began by a Congress government’s decision not to build 110 Mirage 2000 jets at HAL in the eighties, and instead simply settle for 40 jets bought off the shelf from Dassault Aviation’s factory in Bordeaux.

Simply put, the irony is this: if the Congress government, in the eighties, had actually decided to accept a French government offer to license build 110 Mirage 2000 jets in country by HAL instead of acquiring only a pair of squadrons off the shelf from France, a significant part of the country’s squadron woes — not all, mind you — would likely have been stemmed at the source. By all accounts, the Mirage 2000 has proven to be the sturdiest, most reliable jet in Indian military service.

Air Marshal Anil Chopra (Retd.), who as a young Squadron Leader, was part of the team that ferried India’s first Mirage 2000H jets back from France in the mid-eighties is among a large section of the Indian Air Force that rues what they believe was a historic faux pas that the country is still paying for today.

“The Mirage 2000 was selected in 1980s to counter the F-16 sale to Pakistan. The aircraft has been most versatile and has maintained a very high mission success rate. It also for the first time brought in a modern air intercept radar and comprehensive electronic warfare suite. Since the contract signing in 1982, the French had offered Mirage license production in India — an offer that was open till 2006. The IAF was and is very happy with the aircraft. It had proved a game changer during Kargil. If the decision to make Mirage 2000 in India had been made then, IAF would not have been in the numbers and capability mess it is today,” says Air Marshal Chopra, who commanded the 1 Squadron ‘Tigers’ at Gwalior.

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Wing Commander Anil Chopra seen extreme right in 1985 in Bordeaux, France before the first ferry flight of a Mirage 2000 back to India.

In 1984, the Congress government with Indira Gandhi as Prime Minister ordered 40 Mirage 2000 jets with France. As this report from that time indicates, an offer to build a full HAL-administered Mirage 2000 production line in India was turned down by the government after the then Soviet Union successfully persuaded the Indira Gandhi administration to also purchase MiG-29 jets.

In India Today journalist Dilip Bobb’s words from this 1984 dispatch, ‘Dassault’s worry extends beyond mere financial considerations. It is more rooted in the nature of the competition that has forced the Indian Government to review the second part of the Mirage contract; namely, the Soviet Union. Or, to be more specific, the MiG-29. The first sign that an attempt to scuttle the Mirage-2000 production programme was being made came when the Soviets offered India the MiG-29 the latest in their inventory (it is meant to enter Soviet operational service in 1985), during Defence Minister R. Venkatraman’s visit to Moscow last August. The offer was repeated during Soviet Defence Minister Marshal Dmitri Ustinov’s visit to New Delhi a few months later.

In other words, the government of the day procured two separate jet types — the Mirage 2000 and MiG-29 — without choosing to license build either at HAL, settling instead for flyaway deals that only involved aircraft built in the makers’ factories in France and the USSR. Both aircraft types are currently involved in complex upgrade programs to improve capabilities and performance.

The French offer to build Mirage 2000 jets in India stood for 22 years from 1984-2006. After the Kargil War in 1999, the Indian Air Force strenuously argued with the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government of the day for more Mirage 2000 fighters, willing to even settle for the older Mirage 2000H variant, instead of the new 2000-5 variant that was now being built on Dassault’s line. A final opportunity to build the Mirage 2000 was finally dismissed, with a decision taken to conduct a contest for new fighters.

It was in 2006, on the threshold of India’s M-MRCA fighter contest, that Dassault Aviation finally pulled the Mirage offer, and replaced it with a pitch of the Rafale jet. The M-MRCA contest, which intended to buy 126 fighters, with most built in India, finally collapsed, resulting in a truncated deal for 36 jets in 2016.

The decision not to build the Mirage 2000 in India — clearly based on political considerations, since the IAF was near unanimously in favour of more Mirage jets — also exacerbated the Indian Air Force’s inventory nightmare, where it stands saddled with a multiplicity of different aircraft types, eroding the possibility of infrastructural efficiencies and economies on either aircraft.

Air Marshal Padamjit Singh Ahluwalia (Retd.), who commanded the Gwalior Air Force Station during the Kargil war, and oversaw the use of the base’s Mirage 2000 squadrons in precision bombings of Pakistani positions, has long held that India’s decision not to grab the offer of a Mirage 2000 production line in the eighties has had a damaging and compounding effect on India’s fighter aircraft situation.

Writing in Deccan Herald in 2016, Ahluwalia, who went on to command the IAF’s frontline Western Air Command, struck at the heart of the inventory nightmare: ‘The IAF has different fighter aircraft in its inventory. The MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-27, MiG-29, Jaguar, Mirage 2000, SU-30MK1 and Tejas (LCA) are presently flying. Rafale would be the ninth variety. This is undoubtedly a nightmare for maintenance, logistics activity and operational planning, and training of both ground crew and aircrew also becomes difficult. Eight types of transporters and six different helicopters only add to the magnitude of the difficulty.’

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The first batches of Mirage pilots in France for training in the eighties. Ahluwalia is fourth from right standing

In effect, the Congress government in the eighties did precisely what the Congress Party now accuses the Narendra Modi government of doing — turning down the option of building an aircraft in India and instead deciding to buy more aircraft of a totally different variety. And it was this act that has had a snowball effect on India’s fighter strength and planning.

India is on the threshold of a contest to choose which foreign fighter it will build 114 of in India through a strategic partnership with a private sector company. The Rafale squares off against the American F/A-18, F-16, Swedish Gripen E, Russian MiG-35 and Su-35 and the European Eurofighter Typhoon. India’s first of 36 Rafale jets arrive in September this year.
There is nothing new in this article. The bribe route to Indira and the Italian Waitress went from Delhi to Moscow and back to Delhi. BJP signed a deal for Gorshkov to be converted to an aircraft carrier for Navy. The deal involved free hull+cost of refurbishing+cost of aircraft. This deal finally grew to over a 6.5B deal while it was supposed to be a 2.5b deal.
The deal to purchase Mig-23BN/27 and Mig-29 was another such example wherein we paid a hefty amount for assembling kits in India and the extra money paid was returned to Congress thru bribes.
Final and the best one of them has been the T-90 deal. I had discussed it in detail on Arjun MBT thread as to how the trials of Arjun were scuttled and how a false narrative was created to order more T-90s from Russia. Infact the qualities demanded to be in Arjun were not available even the new batch ordered of T-90s.
 
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No comparison to Brimstone/JAGM and pretty disappointing, when you consider that AASM 125 with the laser seeker offers exactly the same capability already. Even reports that the cost of AASM is getting reduced, by deleting the rocket propulsion, shows how nonsense this new development is.

Either way, it's sad how little use they got out of AASMs potential, mainly because of the narrow view, to remain without a wing kit, like anybody else in the world and to keep the 125 in the same size as the 250.


Edit, just saw on another pic that 6 will be carried on the centerline of the Mirage.
There is no AASM 125kg yet. Unfortunately.

BAT 120 is a very low end precision munition, dedicated to destroy unprotected Terrorists Pick Up or Ground troops. It costs few, it can be bring by numbers, the mission don't need a greater range.
A Brimstone or AASM with or without booster is far too costly.
 

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    Not moving ahead with local production of the Mirage-2000 was a major mistake. The aircraft had a truly impressive record in IAF service. So much so, that when Russia offered the Su-30K to India in 1994, the IAF benchmarked it against the Mirage-2000 and found it deficient.
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    Here’s why an embarrassing faux pas on fighter jets by @RahulGandhi in Parliament touches a historic raw nerve that harks back to his grandmother, Indira. https://bit.ly/2s7OBCL
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My EX- HAL engineer neighbour says Mirage is the best aircraft he ever worked on , entire diagnostic system was automatic n easy. Its may be a deliberate or a mistake really that govt didn't go beyond 40 !

11:02 AM - 4 Jan 2019
 
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    Not moving ahead with local production of the Mirage-2000 was a major mistake. The aircraft had a truly impressive record in IAF service. So much so, that when Russia offered the Su-30K to India in 1994, the IAF benchmarked it against the Mirage-2000 and found it deficient.
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It was a mix of politics and lack of money. From the end 80s to the mid 90s, we were in a bad way financially. We couldn't even take advantage of the Soviet's demise to absorb more technology. So we couldn't buy more M-2000 or Mig-29.

But the procurement of both MKI and M-2000 were supposed to happen in parallel. That was the point of the MRCA RFI released in 2001. The combination of the change in govt and IAF's greed for a better and more expensive aircraft killed the procurement momentum of the M-2000. The IAF should have continued the M-2000 aimed MRCA procurement and instead asked for 2 squadrons of the AESA equipped Rafale as an emergency purchase instead. We would have been operating both by now.
 
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It was a mix of politics and lack of money. From the end 80s to the mid 90s, we were in a bad way financially. We couldn't even take advantage of the Soviet's demise to absorb more technology. So we couldn't buy more M-2000 or Mig-29.

But the procurement of both MKI and M-2000 were supposed to happen in parallel. That was the point of the MRCA RFI released in 2001. The combination of the change in govt and IAF's greed for a better and more expensive aircraft killed the procurement momentum of the M-2000. The IAF should have continued the M-2000 aimed MRCA procurement and instead asked for 2 squadrons of the AESA equipped Rafale as an emergency purchase instead. We would have been operating both by now.
MRCA was floated by BJP govt in 2001 and the clear aim was to go for local assembly of M2K as the production of these aircraft was still on. In 2005 DA shut down the assemblyline of M2K and that was the time that UPA decided to change MRCA to MMRCA. That is how the whole thing got delayed.
 
MRCA was floated by BJP govt in 2001 and the clear aim was to go for local assembly of M2K as the production of these aircraft was still on. In 2005 DA shut down the assemblyline of M2K and that was the time that UPA decided to change MRCA to MMRCA. That is how the whole thing got delayed.

I think the last aircraft was delivered in 2007, so the assembly line was still active at the time. The RFI for MMRCA was sent out in 2004, so the decision to switch to twin engine was taken long before RFI, hence long before the assembly line shut down.
 
We couldn't even take advantage of the Soviet's demise to absorb more technology.

Ohh,Someone did, MoD bought a junk spares for Mig21's from Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan at ridiculous prices, integrated them in BRD's bypassing HAL, and crashed a bunch of them. Someone in Pawar and Mulayam Singh circles made a killing.
 
There is no AASM 125kg yet. Unfortunately.

BAT 120 is a very low end precision munition, dedicated to destroy unprotected Terrorists Pick Up or Ground troops. It costs few, it can be bring by numbers, the mission don't need a greater range.
A Brimstone or AASM with or without booster is far too costly.

That's not correct, AASM 125 was developed, tested and certified, it was just developed the wrong way, which made it not interesting for any customer.

A Brimstone is far more capable, not only because of range, but also because of different seekers, which makes it independent from suitable weather conditions, or the propulsion, that makes it useful in low level attack flights (same advantage AASM is advertised with). All that BAT 125 is, is a low cost, low warhead LGB => a GBU 12 with smaller warhead. That doesn't add anything to not only Brimstone, also not to Spear 3/SDB/Spice 250/Al Tariq. So at the end, Rafale will have BAT 120, AASM 250 and Smartglider, to do the same, that other fighters do with 1 to 2 types of weapon. Complete waste of resourceres, when a simple re-design of AASM would had done the trick too.