Yeah very true. I know everything he writes can't be true but he raised few pertinent questions about capabilities of rafales vis a vis IAF. If we are paying 1.9 billion dollars for Indian specific upgrades for just 36 nos it really doesn't make sense. Even glaring omission of irst doesn't bodes well for iaf. I really wish indian specific upgrades would hv included irst but their is no proof of the same. If anyone's has some info about it kindly share.
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The ISE issue was hyped by the govt, to make their deal sound better than it is, but we know now, that it was part of MMRCA and is in fact standard for any fighter, because it's based on operational requirements of IAF, not contract negotiations by any govt.
The data link between fighter and missile is not part of the radar. It's something else.
The radar is" just" used to refresh the target location and speed vector so as to give the right location to the missile and its seeker.
That means a new two way data link if possible easily.
Bla Bla Bla. RAFALE WON and were ordered. The first ones are already flying in France. Be sure the final figure will be higher than 36....
Are you French? Because that the typical French excuse by ignoring that F3R is the current standard. It's always telling when people have to go to a "planned future" upgrade standard that comes in 7 years only, to hide the shortfalls of the F3R today
=> how late is the AESA captor of the EF?
EF is a no go. No British platform can ever be trusted. The plane is a beaurocratic nightmare with too many political strings attached. Too many players pulling the strings. Besides there is nothing better than saying "FLUFF YOU" to her majesty. If you go with EF, UK will ban one thing or another in case of war.
Gripen gets you only the plane. Sweden is a country of no consequence. Not just that, its a light weight aircraft.
French Rafale makes more sense. France has a permanent seat in UNSC. France has an independent fighter industry. When dealing in french aircraft, you are mostly dealing with French mostly. In terms of performance, if IAF says it is worthy, it is worthy. IAF also has great experience with the Mirage.
And biggest reason: There was only one western country which supported Indian Nuclear tests. France. Let it be a message if you want Indian money, learn to toe Indian line in matters that matter to India.
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RAFALE "F4" standard launched Mérignac, France, 14 January 2019 -
Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation, received the F4-standard development contract for the RAFALE combat aircraft today during the visit of the Dassault Aviation Mérignac plant by Florence Parly, French Minister of the Armed Forces. The F4 standard is part of the ongoing process to continuously improve the RAFALE in line with technological progress and operating experience feedback.
The F4 standard marks a new step coming in the wake of the standards F1 (specific to the first aircraft of the French Navy), F2 (airto-ground and air-to-air capabilities), F3 and F3R (extended versatility). In our role as industrial architect, we will be responsible for implementing innovative connectivity solutions to optimize the effectiveness of our aircraft in networked combat (new satellite and intra-patrol links, communication server, software defined radio).
New functions will also be developed to improve the aircraft's capabilities (upgrades to the radar sensors and front sector optronics, helmet-mounted display capabilities), and new weapons will be integrated (Mica NG air-to-air missile and 1,000-kg AASM Air-to-Ground Modular Weapon). Lastly, with regard to availability, we are working under a through-life support contract which will become more "top-down" under the authority of the aircraft manufacturer.
F4 will include a new Prognosis and Diagnostic Aid System introducing predictive maintenance capabilities. Other maintenance optimization features are scheduled, particularly with solutions based on Big Data and artificial intelligence. Lastly, the Rafale will be equipped with a new engine control unit. "The F4 standard guarantees that RAFALE will remain at world-class level so that our combat air forces can carry out all their missions with optimum efficiency, whether in coalition operations or completely independently, as required by the French nuclear deterrent, stated Eric Trappier.
This new standard also guarantees that RAFALE will remain a credible reference on the export market. Lastly, it confirms the continuous improvement approach and helps develop the manufacturers' skills." Validation of the F4 standard is planned for 2024, with some functions becoming available as of 2022.
Dassault Aviation and the 500 French firms associated with the RAFALE program thank the Ministry of the Armed Forces, the Defense procurement agency (DGA), the French Air Force and the French Navy for their confidence.
https://www.dassault-aviation.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2019/01/PR_Rafale_F4-standard.pdf
Right, let's ignore Sea Harriers, Jags, Hawks, IAFs preference of Asraam, or interest in Brimstone. And the funny part is, that you didn't mentioned the 1 reason that actually speaks against it, costs! We simply can't afford high performance fighters anymore and that the prime factor that will change in this tender.
After Balakot, IAF plans to equip Mirage 2000 aircraft with long-range Meteor missiles
After Balakot, IAF plans to equip Mirage 2000 aircraft with long-range Meteor missiles
This case completely ruins @Sancho 's theories about the need for the Rafale to have an AESA to integrate the Meteor.
According to him, the range of the PESA was not sufficient, but it is the same as that of the RDY of the Mirage. And to imply that this proved that the scope of the PS-05/A was greater than that of the PESA. The whole argument collapses if we can consider integrating the Meteor on the Mirage 2000.
After Balakot, IAF plans to equip Mirage 2000 aircraft with long-range Meteor missiles
This case completely ruins @Sancho 's theories about the need for the Rafale to have an AESA to integrate the Meteor.
According to him, the range of the PESA was not sufficient, but it is the same as that of the RDY of the Mirage. And to imply that this proved that the scope of the PS-05/A was greater than that of the PESA. The whole argument collapses if we can consider integrating the Meteor on the Mirage 2000.
Did theirs equip with AESA? or if note their payment covers the AESA upgrade? How about the Egyptian deal?
Sea Harriers are legacy of old times. So are Jags. So are Hawks. These are/were being dragged upon because of our lethargy of inducting new platforms. They are past their best before dates.
Brimstone and Asraam are not platforms.
Nice try, but there are multiple problems here. First of all the source, which is not really reliable. Secondly, your claim that the PESA has the same range as RDY, as far as I recall the old reports, it performed less. Lastly, the biggest problem for Meteor on Mirage, is not the radar, but the size restrictions on the fuselage stations =>
Meteor is much longer than MICA and the gear bay opens right in between them. So unless we would integrate it on the wings, like the old Magic missiles (blocking an important wet station), Meteor is a no go for Mirage 2000 and probably also the reason why French air force is not considering it, but MICA NG EM instead.
P.S. I am not the only that doubt the suitability of the radar.
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Jags will be in operational service beyond 2030 and Hawks even longer, because we kept ordering and producing them till recently and that shows, how much trust we have in British platforms.
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