MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions
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SEF - Single Engine Fighter.
The way I see, post the ACM's press conference & statements, the IAF will go in for the MMRCA tender post haste. If the Rafale doesn't make it , Plan B would be to buy the Rafales in tranches. There'd definitely be one more tranche followed by another one or possibly two spread over a period of 8-10 years.
In an interview, I heard an Air Marshall (I think) saying IAF requires a TEF with a prod line and a SEF with a prod line. And another prod line for an indigenous fighter. TEF can be Rafale and SEF can be either F21 or GrpenE/F and the indigenous fighter can me TejasMK1A & MWF/MK2.
we will get f21, modi *censored*ed us of big time ......admins please delete once you feel most of us has read it.
If F-21 (F-16V
) really is inducted, how many different powerplant types will IAF have to manage? Not to mention the plethora of other spares and components for each individual fighter. Additionally the powerplants are (mostly?) imported, just feels like a logistical nightmare!Not feels like, it is a logistical nightmare. Even bigger issue is training of pilots. IAF is already facing shortage of Pilots. In this scenario they will need to create two group of pilots instead of one.If F-21 (F-16V
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then you are understanding our bureaucrats and decision makers ,error is too small a word for the way they operate and vision is equally alien a concept for them.sometime i wonder whose interest they represent by always keeping india understrength and under prepared.
when it matters the most its always the french and the israeli system which has come to our rescue whether in the kargil or balakot.
but we like to stack ourselves with the russian planes.
ideally its the time we adopt a mix of western (french) and indian fleet ( when they are available be it mark 2 or amca) and move away from the russian system. as russia in terms of avionics has been left far behind by usa and europe .
The Rafale "Make in India" on the runway in India
Paris and New Delhi discuss a private contract for the sale of at least 36 Rafale, which will be manufactured in India.
While the first Rafale will be delivered on Tuesday to the Indian Air Force, the Dassault Aviation fighter plane is again on the runway in India. However, the signing of a contract is still premature and distant (late 2020, early 2021). What is new, however, is the resumption of discussions between France and India on the one hand, and those between New Delhi and Dassault Aviation for the sale of at least 36 Rafale in the context of a procedure over the counter, according to several concordant sources. Some even evoke a hundred devices.
Anyway, these Rafales would this time be made in India in accordance with the policy of the "Make in India" launched by the Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, when he came to power in 2014. The discussions between France and India are intense and regular after a year in 2018 when practically nothing happened in the Indian elections, which ultimately saw the easy victory of Narendra Modi, a member of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya party. Janata party (BJP), and the violent controversy launched by the Congress Party on the Rafale contract (36 aircraft) signed in September 2016 after a year and a half of negotiations following the announcement to buy the plane from French fight in April 2015 Narendra Modi in Paris.
An announcement early January?
It was the meeting at the end of August between Emmanuel Macron and Narendra Modi that helped to boost the discussions on a new acquisition of the Rafale by the Indian Air Force, which would like at least four squadrons (16-18 aircraft per squadron ) additional Rafale. The goal is an official announcement of an upcoming Rafale order by Narendra Modi during the visit of Emmanuel Macron, invited next January by the Prime Minister to India for one of the three Indian national holidays, the day of the Republic Day which takes place on January 26th.
Such an announcement would align the Indian administration with the political will of New Delhi. Negotiators then negotiate and then concretize a contract. This OTC operation, however, requires an operational emergency acquisition procedure, which the "funny war" with Pakistan could legitimize. This would avoid going through a very long bidding process, which might not succeed like many others in India. The Indian Air Force has a real operational need. And finally taking the handle of the Rafale could give him even more weight to accelerate the discussions ...
Paris and New Delhi discuss a private contract for the sale of at least 36 Rafale, which will be manufactured in India.
While the first Rafale will be delivered on Tuesday to the Indian Air Force, the Dassault Aviation fighter plane is again on the runway in India. However, the signing of a contract is still premature and distant (late 2020, early 2021). What is new, however, is the resumption of discussions between France and India on the one hand, and those between New Delhi and Dassault Aviation for the sale of at least 36 Rafale in the context of a procedure over the counter, according to several concordant sources. Some even evoke a hundred devices.
Anyway, these Rafales would this time be made in India in accordance with the policy of the "Make in India" launched by the Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, when he came to power in 2014. The discussions between France and India are intense and regular after a year in 2018 when practically nothing happened in the Indian elections, which ultimately saw the easy victory of Narendra Modi, a member of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya party. Janata party (BJP), and the violent controversy launched by the Congress Party on the Rafale contract (36 aircraft) signed in September 2016 after a year and a half of negotiations following the announcement to buy the plane from French fight in April 2015 Narendra Modi in Paris.
It was the meeting at the end of August between Emmanuel Macron and Narendra Modi that helped to boost the discussions on a new acquisition of the Rafale by the Indian Air Force, which would like at least four squadrons (16-18 aircraft per squadron ) additional Rafale. The goal is an official announcement of an upcoming Rafale order by Narendra Modi during the visit of Emmanuel Macron, invited next January by the Prime Minister to India for one of the three Indian national holidays, the day of the Republic Day which takes place on January 26th.
Such an announcement would align the Indian administration with the political will of New Delhi. Negotiators then negotiate and then concretize a contract. This OTC operation, however, requires an operational emergency acquisition procedure, which the "funny war" with Pakistan could legitimize. This would avoid going through a very long bidding process, which might not succeed like many others in India. The Indian Air Force has a real operational need. And finally taking the handle of the Rafale could give him even more weight to accelerate the discussions ...
The Rafale "Make in India" on the runway in India
Paris and New Delhi discuss a private contract for the sale of at least 36 Rafale, which will be manufactured in India.
While the first Rafale will be delivered on Tuesday to the Indian Air Force, the Dassault Aviation fighter plane is again on the runway in India. However, the signing of a contract is still premature and distant (late 2020, early 2021). What is new, however, is the resumption of discussions between France and India on the one hand, and those between New Delhi and Dassault Aviation for the sale of at least 36 Rafale in the context of a procedure over the counter, according to several concordant sources. Some even evoke a hundred devices.
Anyway, these Rafales would this time be made in India in accordance with the policy of the "Make in India" launched by the Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, when he came to power in 2014. The discussions between France and India are intense and regular after a year in 2018 when practically nothing happened in the Indian elections, which ultimately saw the easy victory of Narendra Modi, a member of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya party. Janata party (BJP), and the violent controversy launched by the Congress Party on the Rafale contract (36 aircraft) signed in September 2016 after a year and a half of negotiations following the announcement to buy the plane from French fight in April 2015 Narendra Modi in Paris.
An announcement early January?
It was the meeting at the end of August between Emmanuel Macron and Narendra Modi that helped to boost the discussions on a new acquisition of the Rafale by the Indian Air Force, which would like at least four squadrons (16-18 aircraft per squadron ) additional Rafale. The goal is an official announcement of an upcoming Rafale order by Narendra Modi during the visit of Emmanuel Macron, invited next January by the Prime Minister to India for one of the three Indian national holidays, the day of the Republic Day which takes place on January 26th.
Such an announcement would align the Indian administration with the political will of New Delhi. Negotiators then negotiate and then concretize a contract. This OTC operation, however, requires an operational emergency acquisition procedure, which the "funny war" with Pakistan could legitimize. This would avoid going through a very long bidding process, which might not succeed like many others in India. The Indian Air Force has a real operational need. And finally taking the handle of the Rafale could give him even more weight to accelerate the discussions ...
This project will stall as France still does not trust Indian industry and manufcturing capability. At most the equipment will be brought to India and assembled. Otherwise, there will be big quality issue.
First Rafale jets to be seen in Indian skies in May 2020
This quote is in contradiction with the previous post.
In your opinion, does this mean that the IAF and MOD do not agree on the procedure to be followed to obtain new aircraft?
This quote is in contradiction with the previous post.
In your opinion, does this mean that the IAF and MOD do not agree on the procedure to be followed to obtain new aircraft?
What he stated was that further acquisition of Rafale will be as part of MMRCA bid and there will not be a separate bid for 36 Rafale. This means that Rafale is very much part of 114 aircraft deal and that there will not be any separate G2G deal for another 36 Rafale. Please read carefully.
Yes I understand what he said but my problem is that it is in contradiction with that:
And then my question
Yes I understand what he said but my problem is that it is in contradiction with that:
And then my question
Its impossible to place next order in 3 months.
Current IAF, architect of Rafale deal wouldn't say so,, if next 36 is in pipeline. .
I think Rafale will bag 114 order at a later date.
Maybe with HAL....
But now it's a private entity, driven by Dassault. It's totally different.
I feel Modi is holding all the cards close to his chest... Modi screwed Trump's Taliban deal, by pulling a quick one on Kashmir and article 370. The US is moaning very frequently about the human rights situation in Kashmir, to build pressure on India. A legitimate government with a fresh mandate will be in place in Afghanistan ( US reluctantly agreed to fresh elections, and India was the only power insisting on new presidential elections. Pakistan's hand will be weaker once a government with fresh mandate is in place in Kabul). Also, no images of downed F-16 released by India. I suspect considering India's human intelligence network in Pok, the government has the proof.
All this dance, only tells me that we might go for F-21
All this dance, only tells me that we might go for F-21
Not really if you believe that f21 will be cheaper then, that is your misunderstanding .. recently Bulgaria brought f16 latest version and it cost them 200 million dollars per plane.. Rafale will be cheaper by around 30-40 million dollars and yes I understand that more orders less price but this rules also apply to the Rafale.. moreover the biggest problem choosing f16 would be domestic pressure ... And if Modi govt. Choose f16 there is a good chance he might loose next election ... On top of that we knew very well about the last mrca tender result.. again both f16 and f18 were disqualified in the first round... Typhoon was shortlisted with Rafale which doesn't even have a aesa radar.. It doesn't make sense to go for 20-30 million dollars cheaper aircraft rather then the best aircraft in competition ... And I am not saying Rafale is best that assessment is from IAF..
I don't think choice of fighter aircraft would really decide elections, even with all the tension between India and Pakistan it's still quite technical and abstract for most people. This was the mistake Rahul made, he bet he could sway the elections by denouncing the Rafale deal constantly and it only caused his party to fall into irrelevance as that was not what most people cared about.
Still, there's absolutely no reason to choose the F-16. One could say there's a political reason so as to deepen the strategic partnership with the USA, but the USA are currently very busy demonstrating to the world that they are not reliable allies or partners. It's kind of like buying ten gallons of snake oil so that in exchange Dr. Quack McConartist will help you claim some real estate on the Sun. Anyone with a brain in working order will see through the scheme.