Somehow, I have a feeling we may see this one .... if at all GoI goes in for new aircrafts, which itself is doubtful as of now.
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Somehow, I have a feeling we may see this one .... if at all GoI goes in for new aircrafts, which itself is doubtful as of now.
Again as I say, we would have gone for Gripen but since it uses a lot of US equipments prone to sanctions we went with Rafael. Secondly, we can never say which technology is better unless until it's proven.
Only, US, Russia, France and UK and to somewhat level Sweden have proved their technology in multiple front. This is why Air Force has issues with home grown technology.
I would be eagerly waiting for the IAF to give some excuse for not granting FOC. This project is ought to get delayed by 10 years.
Well Kaveri engine is struggling hard to achieve 95kN and that's one reason why LCA is fitted with GE. It's not my own built standard its IAF's demand. Themselves they are happy with twin 85kN Snecma M88 and want a 95kN GE f414 on MWF.
Moreover I have a big confusion.
They instal GE F404 on LCA MK1 with max 85kN
Saab has a single Volvo RM12 with max 80.5kN
Kaveri has max 85kN then why not install kaveri on all of the MK1 ?? And rather develop a twin engine MWF and install kaveri on it? Or single engine fighter is is what they want?
They instal GE F404 on LCA MK1 with max 85kN
Saab has a single Volvo RM12 with max 80.5kN
Kaveri has max 85kN then why not install kaveri on all of the MK1 ?? And rather develop a twin engine MWF and install kaveri on it? Or single engine fighter is is what they want?
Um, no. Proven is something else.
Agree. But we have now reached that point, that's why India's induction of domestic tech is now greater than imports.
You are far too confused.
It's easier to just ask for the F-35 instead. It's better than the SH in pretty much every possible way.
what Um no?
Proven has only one meaning that is the technology is reliable in all case scenarios.
I am talking about turbine propulsion. Kaveri is small compact heavier and produces less thrust. Lack of alloys and material technology is the reason.
Yes because i am an engineer and not a pilot. Kaveri is heavier and can't be used in AMCA as well. It increases its weight by 400kgs compared to other counter parts.
Going with other enginers is Most of the data get's transmitted to the HQ in the respected countries of engine origin, I don't know when we get M88 would we request them to uninstall this equipment from the power units or the destination of data transmission will be updated.
Being advanced and being proven are entirely different concepts. The Raptor is not battle proven, but the Spitfire is, so which is more advanced?
Both MWF and Gripen E do not exist, so how will you consider either one as "proven"?
Kaveri has achieved design specs. That's why there are plans to integrate it with LCA.
Nothing correct there. Kaveri is only 100Kg heavier than weight specs, which is very close to its weight margin. Even M88 can't power AMCA, neither can EJ200 and nor can F414. AMCA needs a whole new engine which is still in labs and not yet in the real world. Forget about engines, you do not know what you are talking about.
This is not a relevant comparison. Mig21 shot down F-16 which is more advance?
Deploy LCA MK1 in Kashmir or Jodhpur that would do the rest
more than 150 kgs and it's not just 150 kgs, m88 f404 are below 1100 kgs, but yes bigger in dimension. That much weight can propel you to change the fuselage designe and pay load capacity by a factor of over 40%
And no where it says Kaveri has got 95kN thrust (Af Burners) which was the basic requirement for IAF.
Design specification wanted them to have over 95kN thrust. Then some people in GE might have told them that no it's not possible as it defies the law of thermodynamics. So the chaps went for f404. Some what of the same league but a bit lighter. There fore we are installing 40 Mk1 with Kaveri, and rest with GEf404.
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Excuse me for that, and it's even better. Which further proves my point which is, it was shear stupidity to build a single engine fighter LCA Tejas. The designers could have developed a twin engine fighter with 85kN Kaveri engine.
Both are battle proven jets, carrying technologies of similar level of advancements. In fact the technologies and weapons behind the kill were superior to what was on PAF's F-16. The Pakistanis still do not have an equivalent to the HMDS+R-73 combo.
That doesn't even make sense. What's LCA got to do with MWF and Gripen E?
You have no clue what you're talking about.
The design goal of Kaveri was 81KN, it was achieved.
What link do you want? If an engine doesn't exist, you find me an engine that does exist.
Dude, you have no clue why Tejas was built. I think I'm done.
War in unpredictable and hence you need to test your technology in unpredictable scenario. Migs are proven Sukhois are proven as well, R73 is a state of art . How about deploying LCA MK1 with Astra, Mayawi and EL/M2023 in Srinagar ?
Obviously the avionics will be tested on MK1.
Kaveri is heavier that's what I am talking.
As per DRDO , but IAF is not happy.
I know k9/k10 is being developed but without any success. or else they wouldn't be running to France. That's why we decided to buy Rafale I think, or I say one of the factor?
If you are so sure about MK1 then what's stopping IAF to deploy them in Jodhpur and Srinagar?
Imagine a Scenario where Abhinandan was in cockpit of MK1, what would be the results? I guess we don't know. Does that fulfill the goals of developing MK1 to increase the falling sqn strength and achieve a credible aerospace industry for defence? Not now!
You are a very confused fellow.
Likely not. All new avionics.
Okay, but you are talking to the wall now.
I don't think you understand why they are not happy. It has nothing to do with the engine itself.
Sure. But it has nothing to do with Kaveri.
Why is Mk1 in the picture now when we were talking about MWF and Gripen E?
Your posts have gone off on a tangent. Good luck with all your future conversations with people.
So they are not happy because engine is world class quality and that's why because its too good that they rather went for lower quality engine for MK1? Bravo.
Because you don't have an engine to power your MWF and it will meet same fate as of MK1. Delays and lack of quality propulsion.
I am not confused, I am asking you the reason if all parameters are achieved and production has started why not a dedicated squadron for Western air command.
I think all the conversation on this page & the previous one between @screambowl & @randomradio is a classic example of what happens when a immovable object meets an unstoppable force. I request it immediately be shifted to the Funny Section. @Ashwin
when you fail to answer then it becomes funny. Not a single chap here is able to answer why MK1 has not been deployed to Kashmir. It's been 3 years and they have Sqn based in Tamil Nadu? What is the use of an MK1 SQN in Tamil Nadu? Go fishing in Lankan waters?
sala failed technology hai airforce itself doesn't trust this MK1 that's the sole reason.
