MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions

What is your favorite for MMRCA 2.0 ?

  • F-35 Blk 4

    Votes: 31 13.1%
  • Rafale F4

    Votes: 187 78.9%
  • Eurofighter Typhoon T3

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Gripen E/F

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • F-16 B70

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • F-18 SH

    Votes: 9 3.8%
  • F-15EX

    Votes: 9 3.8%
  • Mig-35

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    237
Only Israel has been allowed a custom F35 ,not even UK. So we getting is next to impossible

All we have to do is order the Israeli version. All other countries need interoperability with the US, so there's no point asking for their own version. Anyway, the UK, nor the other countries asked for their own version. Only the Israelis did.
 
Extract of the RFI (page 4)

(c) The response to the RFI should be clearly labelled as RFI RESPONSE - FIGHTER AIRCRAFT. The vendors are required to dispatch two hard copies and one soft copy of the RFI to the following address:- Principal Director, Dte of ASR, Room No 442 Air HQ (VB), Rafi Marg New Delhi-110011 Fax No: 00-91-11-23011836 Tel No: 00-91-11-23014917 Email: [email protected] (d) Last date of acceptance of filled form is 06 July 2018. The vendors short listed for issue of RFP would be intimated at appropriate stage. Submission of incomplete response will render the vendor liable for rejection.

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A new document to celebrate 100 years of the 11 F squadron which has always been boarded on an aircraft carrier!!!
At the end of the document some informations related to F4 version.

In January 2019, with Flottille 11F yet to receive its first Rafale F3-R, the French Armed Forces approved development of the follow-on F4 standard.
Expected in service from 2024, the Rafale F4 will be a significant evolution, including:
  • MBE2 radar optimisation for tracking of moving ground targets and very high-resolution mapping
  • Link 16 Block 2 integration
  • New weapons, including the future MICA NG air-to-air missile, which has miniaturised components, additional propellant and increased speed and autonomy
  • Larger and higher-resolution cockpit displays, plus a helmet-mounted display system
  • New tactical data link and informationsharing system between Rafales
  • Communication network with high degree of protection against cyber attack
  • Secure, encrypted SATCOM
  • Enhanced Spectra self-protection suite plus new flares and electromagnetic jammers
  • New digital engine controls and diagnostic/prognosis system allowing predictive maintenance for improved operational readiness
Once it arrives in service, the F4 should be quickly followed by a mid-life update for the Rafale in 2025.
Little is known about this project, except that the Spectra will be further modernised, and the fighter’s airframe slightly modified to reduce its radar crosssection. It will also feature new transmitter/receiver antennas integrated under the aircraft’s skin.
It’s hard to say if the F4 will be the last Rafale standard, but it’s certain these optimisations will assist Dassault to realise the Système de Combat Aérien du Futur (SCAF, or Future Combat Air System) programme, which is being jointly conducted with Airbus (see Headlines, p6-7).
A maiden flight of the SCAF’s manned fighter component, the Next Generation Fighter (NGF) is scheduled for 2026. The new fighter is also expected to operate as a ‘mothership’ for autonomous combat drones. It’s an ambitious project but, if all goes to plan, it should become operational between 2035 and 2040. A carrier-based NGF is also on the cards and it’s entirely possible that Flottille 11F will be the first French unit equipped with this version.
 
If they shut down production, then even exports will end.
Then there is Kuwaiti order which are to be delivered in 2021.

Super Hornet might win in Germany to replace the Tornados. Finland too. Both of them are to decide by 2021 end. So the production line will be there for few more years atleast.
 
Then there is Kuwaiti order which are to be delivered in 2021.

USN orders will complete in 2021, so the only orders left will be the one for Kuwait.

Super Hornet might win in Germany to replace the Tornados. Finland too. Both of them are to decide by 2021 end. So the production line will be there for few more years atleast.

Finland belongs to the F-35. Germany will most likely make the most logical decision of supporting their own jet, although there is a problem with the integration of nukes on it.

But I agree, Germany is the most interesting country for the Super Hornet. The Americans killed the possibility of integrating their nukes on Rafale for obvious reasons. The French killed the possibility of Germany buying F-35. Pentagon will kill the chances of Germany buying Typhoon by giving the excuse of nuke integration timeframe. So the only option left is Super Hornet. Finally, Germany is left with the least desirable aircraft, and even the SH is not yet nuke capable. Even then, Germany's best option remains more Typhoons, even if the nuke integration takes a few years longer. The fact is a squadron of Tornados can be kept alive until the Typhoon is integrated with nukes and SEAD capabilities. It will be interesting to see what they will do. Personally, I think the chances of the SH being chosen is still quite low.
 
USN orders will complete in 2021, so the only orders left will be the one for Kuwait.



Finland belongs to the F-35. Germany will most likely make the most logical decision of supporting their own jet, although there is a problem with the integration of nukes on it.

But I agree, Germany is the most interesting country for the Super Hornet. The Americans killed the possibility of integrating their nukes on Rafale for obvious reasons. The French killed the possibility of Germany buying F-35. Pentagon will kill the chances of Germany buying Typhoon by giving the excuse of nuke integration timeframe. So the only option left is Super Hornet. Finally, Germany is left with the least desirable aircraft, and even the SH is not yet nuke capable. Even then, Germany's best option remains more Typhoons, even if the nuke integration takes a few years longer. The fact is a squadron of Tornados can be kept alive until the Typhoon is integrated with nukes and SEAD capabilities. It will be interesting to see what they will do. Personally, I think the chances of the SH being chosen is still quite low.

The unions are already blackmailing them against any American Fighter.
 
The unions are already blackmailing them against any American Fighter.

Yeah, a major reason why I think Germany will be forced to buy more Typhoons instead. You can imagine the kind of pressure even Airbus must have put on the Germans. Also Germany is gearing up for more Typhoon orders anyway, to replace the Tranche 1, so it makes sense to keep their own production line going instead of financing someone else's.

And I'm sure the nuke integration on the Typhoon will happen in less than 5 years once the decision is made.
 
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There's a Growler Block 2 in the works, so it's possible the USN may order Growlers and keep the line open. I didn't think of this earlier.
It's not fixed at the moment. What I feel, with the delays in F35C , USN will continue to buy few more small batches of SH till 2025 atleast. Not a lot, but enough to keep the line open.
 
It's not fixed at the moment. What I feel, with the delays in F35C , USN will continue to buy few more small batches of SH till 2025 atleast. Not a lot, but enough to keep the line open.

The US is in recession, I don't think the USN will waste money on more SHs. They are now more interested in procuring F-35Cs since their Hornet fleet is beyond repair.
 
USN orders will complete in 2021, so the only orders left will be the one for Kuwait.
Technically the line will not be closed, instead it'll be reaffected to tearing the old SHornets apart, modernize them, and rebuild them. So there shouldn't be a loss of know-how and the line should be able to switch back to production if needed.

Dassault did something similar for the modernization of the French navy Rafale F1: the ten aircraft were disassembled and then just inserted in the assembly line.
 
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I have a query, whether French RAFALE are equipped with Link 16 for secure communication (I know Wikipedia says yes), if yes, will Indian RAFALE be also getting the same? I belive India wasn't allowed initially but post agreement with US, these secure channels are available for procurement if request is made. Thank you.
 
I have a query, whether French RAFALE are equipped with Link 16 for secure communication (I know Wikipedia says yes), if yes, will Indian RAFALE be also getting the same? I belive India wasn't allowed initially but post agreement with US, these secure channels are available for procurement if request is made. Thank you.

It's a communication policy issue. The Rafale can be equipped with link 16, but it is useless if India's other aircraft and weapons systems are not equipped with it. The Rafale will be equipped with the datalink system used by India. If India changes to the L16 then it will be the L16.
 
I have a query, whether French RAFALE are equipped with Link 16 for secure communication (I know Wikipedia says yes), if yes, will Indian RAFALE be also getting the same? I belive India wasn't allowed initially but post agreement with US, these secure channels are available for procurement if request is made. Thank you.

Indian Rafales can carry the Israeli Rafael BNET.
 
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It's a communication policy issue. The Rafale can be equipped with link 16, but it is useless if India's other aircraft and weapons systems are not equipped with it. The Rafale will be equipped with the datalink system used by India. If India changes to the L16 then it will be the L16.
Follow-up query as there are mentions of secure communication channels supporting hardware being released to India by US. Just for clarity, are these not Link 16 channel supporting hardware? We are aware that C17 & C130 platforms were procured with commercial grade communication hardware/software, were these converted in Link16/22 post signing of COMCASA? Additionally there was discussion on equipping IN ships with secure communication as well, don't know what happened on that front. Thank you.

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communications equipment;
India – Integrated Air Defense Weapon System (IADWS) and Related Equipment and Support | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

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fifty-four (54) AN/ARC-210 RT-1990A(C) radios with COMSEC (48 installed, 6 spares); thirty (30) AN/ARC-220 High Frequency radios (24 installed, 6 spares);
India – MH-60R Multi-Mission Helicopters | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

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communication equipment,
India – Support for Direct Commercial Sale of AH-64E Apache Helicopters | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency