I the MICA NG is comparable to Derby -ER and AIM 260 in range and when will it be available?
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I the MICA NG is comparable to Derby -ER and AIM 260 in range and when will it be available?
MICA NG is said to have 30% more range than MICA (ie 30% more greater NEZ, with is very different than the max range given by some but with a so little pk that it's useless. So something in the 30km NEZ, half than of Meteor which is publicly said to have >3 times the effective range of AMRAAM C7).
Ready for 2024-2025 if I remember well. With 2 different seekers as legacy MICA. one to be an AESA.
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source please? and even if we take your words that quality of french T/R module are better which I highly doubt still French are way behind in TRM packaging compared to US.
difficult to find a english source, and it is a little bit late now....
I can just give you this information, well known :
When the UAE was interested in Rafale, in 2006-2008 nearly, they were informed about the perf of the RBE2 AA (the one with US T/R modules) and they wanted a more powerfull one to have more range (increase from 10kw to 14kw of the output, needed a new coolant system).
After that Thales presented the RBE2AESA, with european modules... No more need of an increase of the ouptut nor new coolant system : the new radar outclass the requested ranges with the 10kw output power of the beginning.
The T/R modules of the RBE2AESA are not french. They are european made by a common company that can supply Leonardo, Selex, Thales....
Even considering the superiority of euro trm modules the engine on f15ex is aay more powerful and the radar power requirement is higher compared to the rbe2. Their is only one weakness of the rafale and that is it's underpowered engine even I applaud the French to exploiting all of the engineer strength to make such an able platform but the f15ex has to be logically superior to the rafale's in term of radar. The power requirement and radome size of the f15 gives us enough assumptions on how superior the radar would be in range.
Superiority of euro TRM is a myth
and yes with more power available bigger APG-82(V)1 will have better performance. US TRM packaging is superior, TRM count is still 838 on rafale while it is close to 1200 on same aperture on US fighters.
EPAWSS GaN based EW system is probably also superior to EW system of rafale.
It is said from the beginning. Why? Because Rafale only uses 2x 7.5 t engine and its european counterpart, Eurofighter, 2 x 9T engine.
But :
Rafale is more than 1.5 tons empty weight lighter than EF.
More thrust => more fuel consumtion => less range.
With "only" 2x7.5T and 2 drop tanks of 2000liters it can reach mach 1.6.
It beat Eurofighter so often than GB pilots don't want to train against Rafale one ! see here : Flying & fighting in the Dassault Rafale: Interview with a Rafale combat veteran : “Typhoon is a joke, very easy to shoot.”
probably.
But don't forget that F15, even in SE variant, is a far bigger plane, with bigger RCS. So it can be detected from greater range with less powerfull radar....
It was just proved to UAE (see my previous post)
And proved another time when UAE compare the range of AESA F16bk60 radar and those of Rafale...
But if you absolutely want to think that US junk are better, it's your right.
FAKE NEWS.
The 850 more or less was the first gen AESA antenna. The sole picture released of RBE2 "open" was that prototyp radar. The actual radar has more modules. in the 1000....
probably....
or not.
Spectra used 25% of the R&D effort of the whole Rafale program. It's not without reasons.
We do have it: RBE2 AESA prototype was done with US T/R and the increase in range was about 40% compare to PESA RBE2, then the serial AESA was done with European T/R in which Thales have a major participation and the increase in range was about 100% compare to PESA RBE2.
And why did they fire the AMRAAMS against the SU 30 MKI only and not against the Mirage?
Cool story bro. Why don't you post pic of those 1000+ TRM.
Cause mirage weren't engaging F 16 but JF 17 far up north.
No F-16s were near Mirage but JF-17s. Both were engaging each other and PAF chief even said to Alan Warnes in an interview that they got an understanding of capabilities of MICA.
because, as I wrote just before : "The sole picture released of RBE2 "open" was that prototyp radar "
As far as I know, there is no picture of the antennae of the définitive RBE2 AESA.
so you basically have no source and just made it up. I am going to take official 838 TRM count then, which means packaging technology is inferior compared to US.
Officially you only can say that the prototyp of RBE2 AESA (called RBE2 AA) had 838 US modules.
Officially you can only say that the RBE2AESA made since 2010 and FOC in 2013 uses european modules.
Officially you can say that coverage with US modules was +/- 60°, and now +/-70° with european modules.
And read that (in french) : Le premier Rafale équipé en série d'un radar à antenne active a été livré | Zone Militaire
"Un tel radar intégre plus d’un millier de capteurs appelés Transmitter Receiver Module (TRM) = This radar is made of more than 1000 modules..."
For the rest, it's only Sci Fi. Seems that you like Sci Fi.
prove it.
nowhere article suggests that RBE2 AESA has more than 1000+ TRM . That 1000 modules is just a general statement that AESA usually have such amount of TRM.
RBE2 AESA still has 838 TRM period and same AESA radar is in use on rafale.
Here is the pic of first AESA and 111th production rafale with same radar..... 838 TRM count.
what's there to prove?
Just look at the pic below.
APG 81 has 1676 TRM on 800mm
antenna while RBE 2 has 838 with 600m.
APG has double the TRM count while only being 25% larger.
• AN/APG-81> 80/1676 > 0.047
• AN/APG -77> 90/1956 > 0.046
• RBE-2 AA > 60/838> 0.071
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That's what I am thinking too. But most of the French posters have made rafale into some mythical plane and I just can't take it seriously. F15ex has a huge rcs more than even the mki but it's just basic physics to understand that a bigger radar area with bigger engine will have a bigger range and detection. In no way does that make rafale inferior. It's limited by its size and and is a smaller aircraft and therefore will have some weaknesses. Even the f16 has a similar design and on 27th Feb the f16 did lock on our su30's it doesn't change the fact that the su 30 has a bigger radar and range than the apg 68 and had detected it. It's because of the altitude difference and weakness of the r77 it could not perform as well. In case of f15 a lack of meteor integration is also a big weakness compared to rafale. Though I have doubts if the epawws is as effective as the spectra since the spectra is battle tested and the epawws is not. Even the gripens new ew system is also GaN based if I'm not wrong? Doesn't prove if they are superior to spectra..
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Rafale is an excellent fighter no doubt neither China nor Pakistan has any answer to it for foreseeable future. but it's nowhere close to US fighters like F 35 or F 22. If IAF really going for 114 MRCA 2.0 it should buy 2 squadron worth of US fighters. I would prefer F 18 if F 35 is not in offer.
WRONG.
It's one of the pic of the sole RBE2 AESA never released : the prototyp. JUST READ YOU OWN DOCUMENT : RBE2AA : AA is the prototyp. The serial one is AESA.
End of the story.
After all your point of view is useless for me, I don't need to be convinced.