Yeah it's the worst. But can we afford anything else after being battered by coronavirus ?
MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions
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Its more than enough for china and Pakistan.
Worst in what sense please explain ?
The MWF is a much superior option instead.
Strictly speaking, the capabilities of the Rafale is such that, you will need 2 or 3 Mig-35s just to match 1. Even 36 more Rafales is a better option than buying 126 Mig-35s.
Rightly said, we have examples of SKorea, japan, NATO countries, singapore etc, the democratic countries who benefits from US alliance. Its high time to make alliance with USA and enjoy the security provided by US equipments.
Thats why we are crying now, no credibly assets to challenge chinese now. The superiority of MKI is bursted last year, dont bring 24 jet vs story or low altitude story.
It has maintainence issues just like mig 29 . Mig 29 engines used to give out smoke but mig 35 is being advertised as having smokeless engines. But radar avionics etc will not match western technology.
Obviously not. It's already inferior to what China is operating right now. And Pakistan will also obviously buy superior jets in the future.
The Russians are looking for a bakra.
how did you come to the conclusion that it's inferior ? Chinese for all the BS are still importing Russian stuff, they are nowhere close to russians. They are relying on them from engine to avionics even today. Pakistan will only import Chinese stuff in future due to money constraint.... So how does we loose any edge ?
Incorrect. Our planes are better than theirs. And we are better trained and have better infrastructure. We have better logistics as well. The only thing we lack is a modern BVR weapon due to the delay in developing our own in time or choosing a foreign one. And this is a problem only for a year or two.
The superiority of MKI was not even challenged by the entire PAF.
Chinese are big Bull s***s. They used to brag about there mighty HQ 9 system and what not and end up importing S 400. same is in case of there fighter jets. Now they have started bragging about there AESA radars and PL 15 both of which are probably junk.
Rafales are getting 3d thrust vectoring, new stealth coating and superior EW suite in F4 upgrades. It nullifies any and all advantages that other contenders has over it. IMO it is rafale all the way if MMRCA 2.0 deal realised.
No the Rafale doesn't need 3D vectoring, it gets the same manoeuvrability thanks to its canards , it won't change its coating either, instead it will use the PEA DEDIRA which reduces its signature by other means. It will also have a very high connectivity that will then allow it to use multistatic radar that can detect aircraft with passive stealth (like the F22 and F35) as if they were not stealthy.
@randomradio
Should we still go for MMRCA 2.0
OR We will just buy 36 more Rafales and 100 more Su 30
We cannot afford to Waste Time
We need more planes to tackle China
Should we still go for MMRCA 2.0
OR We will just buy 36 more Rafales and 100 more Su 30
We cannot afford to Waste Time
We need more planes to tackle China
He is just unreliable from what ever I read from him. The last thing we are going to buy in MMRCA is Russian hardware. We might even have second thoughts for murican systems but Russian systems are going to be ignored from a mile away. The only real Russian system we might buy are su57 and armata series. That's also big question considering how badly they have been performing...
We most definitely need 200 Rafales along with 200 MWF. As technology matures, older tech will be needed in large numbers to compensate. We need the technology infusion. So MMRCA is critical for our future. 36 is just a silver bullet force, like our small number of M2000s.
MKI is passe. It's fine right now, but it needs upgrades. And you can bet the Chinese will also modernise very quickly. We have already crossed the upper limit of our Flanker numbers, anymore is just a waste of time and money. Hell, if we get more Rafales and MWF, we can actually send 1/3rd of the MKI fleet into storage. We have a surplus of 50+ jets. The cost of operating so many isn't worth it.
Our Su 30s have both thrust vectoring and canards. 3d vectoring will improve its manoeuvrability by leaps and bounds.
And AFAIK DEDIRA won't be available before 2030.
The Flankers are all superior designs by default. And the Chinese have already introduced indigenous engines into their Flankers.
How many Migs have the Russians bought in the last 10 years?
We will lose our edge because we can induct the Migs in numbers only 7-10 years later, when it is already old by today's standards even in China.
Dude, stop underestimating China. Only those who are completely ignorant do it.
Our FCS are better, now that we have already met your SU 30 MKI during Garuda exercises, we no longer fear them even in dogfight.
DEDIRA is already available on F3 R. Normally we would have had to replace the SPECTRA antennas with GaN antennas for this, but we found a cheaper way to increase the processing speed, which postponed the antenna change to a time when GaN will be cheaper (F4).
We neither have the financials for MMRCA Or 100 Su30. Indigenous options are the only ones financially possible.
And no, we don't need 1500 aircrafts to counter 1500 aircrafts.
Sorry but I would take that with a pinch of salt.
That's great.
It has a cost. A high cost.... Such a cost India top brass never wanted.
NO ! never.
Rafale was studied (thanks to close coupled canards) so as to not needed it. And it will ever be the case.