S400 is a huge system. It is also uses low band radars.
All the "stealthy" jets so far are discret in X band only. not in the lower band....
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All the "stealthy" jets so far are discret in X band only. not in the lower band....
The testimony of a Franco-Canadian Rafale pilot
www.strategicfront.org
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The video of F-22 vs Rafale dogfight comments by a pro is ON! Edit i'm the one who gave it tto the website that uploaded it publicly ;) Até who knows the Rafale tells us about 3 surprises: First he is surprised that the Rafale is in Fox 3 mode, he would have chosen Fox 2 against an F 22...
wrong this only X band stealth is a myth. American stealth jet are optimized from lower frequency all the way to higher frequency with higher effectiveness in X band & why's that cause most FCR operate in X band.
here's RCS value of YF -117 prototype under testing in early 80s.
Lockheed filed a patent for CNT based RAM in 2010 which is capable of absorbing EM waves from 0.1 MHz to 60 GHz with greater effectiveness from L band all the way up to Ku band. same thing is in use in F 35.
Here is the range of S 400 anti stealth radar which is optional by the way.
• Protivnik GE L band radar. > 480km for 1.5 m2 target > 43 km for F 35 class target. still can't provide firing solution.
If you add Nebo m complex range is 480km for 1m2 target and 48 km for F 35 class target. and they still can not provide firing solution.
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The lower the band is, the thicker the RAM must be.
What is possible with a big B2 is not on a smaller fighter.
Russian manufacturers are themselves claiming range against a certain RCS value buddy and US is king in RAM technology.
Lower band radars are susceptible to jamming, lower bandwidth ,poor resolution thus poor accuracy hence cannot provide firing solution. You need S , X or higher band FCR if you want an accurate kill.
-RAM technology doesn't prevent that you need thickness to deal with lower band.
-Lower band : it is a weakness of the west electronic counter measures !
-poor resolution : YES. But enough to guide a fighter so close that it could see a non IR stealth jet as F22 or F35. Same for russian SAM, some with IR seeker.
Don't under estimate russian SAM ! it's with artillery their specialty for 60 years.
And we are forced to believe that ? not possible they are not saying the full truth ?
Atos secures onboard connectivity for Dassault Aviation’s Rafale “F4 standard” aircrafts
Paris, June 30, 2020
Atos, a global leader in digital transformation, announces a new contract with Dassault Aviation to support the integration of the Rafale aircraft into the European Future Combat Air System (SCAF, Système de Combat Aérien du Futur) program. Named “F4 standard”, this new version of the Rafale will provide collaborative combat capabilities. As part of this project, Atos works on developing the new generation of the aircraft's multi-level gateway (E-SNA[1]), effectively securing connectivity and two-way data exchange between the various onboard communication networks.
The solution provided by Atos addresses key challenges in combat aviation, such as the need to equip aircrafts with cybersecurity systems or safeguarding the continuity of onboard connectivity processes. It is part of a long-term plan to provide combat aircraft capabilities to the Rafale.
Atos' new multi-level gateway is an evolution of the previous onboard Mirage 2000D platform. It enables secure two-way transfer between networks with different levels of security and confidentiality, thus preserving data integrity and security of all onboard connectivity. It allows critical “authorized” intelligence to be safely shared and used at all times, protected against outside intrusion.
Developed, produced and implemented in France, the rugged platform meets common security criteria (EAL3+/EAL4+).
“This contract strengthens the trusted, 20-year long relationship between Dassault Aviation and Atos, based on innovation, agility and expertise in onboard systems. Leveraging our knowledge of the Rafale environment, our experience in the development of rugged onboard systems and our leadership in cybersecurity, we’ve developed a new system that is as close as possible to operational needs of the forces and to Dassault Aviation's requirements”, said Cyril Dujardin, SVP, Director of Mission Critical System activities at Atos.
Optimizing the Rafale’s efficiency in network combat with innovative connectivity solutions is part of the aircraft's continuous improvement process. Dassault Aviation’s multi-level solution developed with Atos contributes to maintaining the integrity of the data exchanged on board, as well as segregating data and data flows according to different levels of confidentiality while keeping highest levels of security. This solution helps to ensure that combat air forces can carry out all their missions in the most efficient way.
Paris, June 30, 2020
Atos, a global leader in digital transformation, announces a new contract with Dassault Aviation to support the integration of the Rafale aircraft into the European Future Combat Air System (SCAF, Système de Combat Aérien du Futur) program. Named “F4 standard”, this new version of the Rafale will provide collaborative combat capabilities. As part of this project, Atos works on developing the new generation of the aircraft's multi-level gateway (E-SNA[1]), effectively securing connectivity and two-way data exchange between the various onboard communication networks.
The solution provided by Atos addresses key challenges in combat aviation, such as the need to equip aircrafts with cybersecurity systems or safeguarding the continuity of onboard connectivity processes. It is part of a long-term plan to provide combat aircraft capabilities to the Rafale.
Atos' new multi-level gateway is an evolution of the previous onboard Mirage 2000D platform. It enables secure two-way transfer between networks with different levels of security and confidentiality, thus preserving data integrity and security of all onboard connectivity. It allows critical “authorized” intelligence to be safely shared and used at all times, protected against outside intrusion.
Developed, produced and implemented in France, the rugged platform meets common security criteria (EAL3+/EAL4+).
“This contract strengthens the trusted, 20-year long relationship between Dassault Aviation and Atos, based on innovation, agility and expertise in onboard systems. Leveraging our knowledge of the Rafale environment, our experience in the development of rugged onboard systems and our leadership in cybersecurity, we’ve developed a new system that is as close as possible to operational needs of the forces and to Dassault Aviation's requirements”, said Cyril Dujardin, SVP, Director of Mission Critical System activities at Atos.
Optimizing the Rafale’s efficiency in network combat with innovative connectivity solutions is part of the aircraft's continuous improvement process. Dassault Aviation’s multi-level solution developed with Atos contributes to maintaining the integrity of the data exchanged on board, as well as segregating data and data flows according to different levels of confidentiality while keeping highest levels of security. This solution helps to ensure that combat air forces can carry out all their missions in the most efficient way.
There is always the option of counter conquering and breaking relations the way the Chinese did. But Hindu mediocrity will rear it's ugly head.
Allying with the west is the only way. Until we don't take risks we won't move ahead. Non-alignment is a dead rotten horse....
Nope. Once we ally, breaking relations will be extremely, extremely difficult. And you most definitely lose your sovereignty. France left NATO for that reason in 1966.
Even during their Afghan war, they requested Indian troops to be sent there. They wanted 14000 troops. India was actually fine with that. But then the Americans said the troops will be in full control of America. F*ck that.
Anyway, India is not going to become an American ally, it will only be an American partner, alongside Japan.
Lol Japan is a literal American colony. And partnering with them is equal to allying with them. When I talk about allying with the Americans it's not handing over your sovereignty to the Americans it's similar on the lines of the French. Where we are more autonomous but do joint operations with them. Until we don't ally with the Americans in a meaningful way our armed forces won't be adapting to modern warfare. We have to increase interoperability with them. It is the obvious answer. The Pakistanis have literally mentally abused the Americans in Afghanistan and still they cannot leave them and the Pakistanis have total freedom to operate as they see fit. India is much stronger than that. We can get that Gucci tech and playing along with their geopolitical objectives and at the same time focus on our own geopolitical goals if we have any. We have to get in Afghanistan in the future either covertly or overtly until we don't snatch Afghanistan from the Pakistanis the Kashmir problem doesn't end. And we will have to take the Taliban in confidence they have unfortunately become a political player in this...
Agree, But when I see Japan, I wish we could have that type of GDP and development. If we tilt towards America I don't see anything wrong in that , A democratic country with lots of business and defense potential but we have to take our decision independently. Tackling Pakistan was never a problem for India. now China in our backyard, we have to decide are we ready to fight alone or with our friends... who will stand with us when we fight against China because they are going to come again and again to stop us as we grow faster either through Pakistan proxy or by themselves. So I am with anyone who will send two warships to cut the dragon head in south china sea, will Russia send those warships to south china sea?
It's the contrary.
Such a huge country as India can't be aligned. You need to be free.
Gentlemen- what is the update on MMRCA 2.0? How much more time required to make a choice and award the contract? The number of squadrons are depleting and there is no sense of urgency here. Or are we thinking of canceling MMRCA 2.0 as well just like it predecessor to fund Tejas? Earlier we kept sitting on FGFA and finally decided against it. What is wrong with our decision making?
I'd definitely agree with that. But as long as we are importing weapons, there's no sovereignty. The French created a full-fledged defence industry and then played in the alliance. Until we get to that point, our bureaucrats and politicians will happily sell ur sovereignty to the US. That's why it's not simple. Haven't you noticed how much they keep pressing us to buy their F-16 or their THAAD/Patriot?
The Americans only treat those who are truly autonomous as autonomous. Do you see the Americans press the French to buy their weapons?
We need to reach a particular standard with our industry and economy before the Americans start seeing us as equals. Until then, as the Catholics would say, we are just souls waiting for reaping.
We are not yet in a relationship of equals like the French are with the Americans.
Where on earth did you get that?
You don't understand the weight of that statement.
There are places where we can cooperate and even interoperate. There is the foreign office, intelligence and even space. But definitely not the military.
Until we become truly autonomous, we are nothing more than a country that can be ordered around. Just like how they wanted to take over our division after deploying it to Afghanistan.
RFP process has moved from end 2019 to mid 2020 to possibly mid 2021. Thank COVID for that.
Nope. It's 2022.Given the current geopolitical situation we can't afford to delay it any further. We could have it next year too but the situation is far to messy economically to do so. Hence 2022.