Our boundary is getting breached by a mad bully, the cost we paying for US alliance is less costlier than that i think.
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No, i prefer otherway around. These type of attitude made india like that. The communist china has embraced capitalism ( may not be exactly like we see in USA), such a paradigm shift happened there. Then why can't we.
If i am not wrong, Chinese GDP was way lower than that of india till 1990. But through out those years and after that too our military is weak in paper and we didn't give try to retake our lost territory.
The exact opposite. It will always remain the opposite. The minute you sign over your sovereignty to someone else, it's over. Literally over.
We need to do everything ourselves or simply become the satellite state of the US. It's only these two options.
And we don't need the US at all. Rather the US needs us. *I don't know why all these proponents of selling India to the US don't understand this basic fact.*
I prefer US alliance, the one japan, south korea & other nato countries enjoying now. Far better than a chinese overrun.
They all are satellite states under US patronage. You want a country like India to be someone's b?
Any self respecting leader of a big nation having 4th largest military, 5th largest economy with 1.3 billion population would not and should not compromise on its sovereignty.
Build a partnership as equals or slog till you are ready. Powerful nations don't run to their daddy or jump headfirst into first offer at the first sign of distress as you are suggesting.
BTW what you call alliances are not alliances. Its more like dependence.
Lastly chini are not gonna overrun anything. If they could they would have and if they can then our armed forces should basically go jump in the ocean. Which they don't look too keen upon.
So don't panic. Keep calm. we have faced far greater odds and emerged. We will also see through this.
It requires us to surrender to the US and become their satellite state. We will have to induct all American weapons and comm systems and allow Americans into our bases.
Otoh, we have the capability to fight and defeat China all by ourselves.
We don't need the US, the US needs us.
Do you have scores for Garuda exercises? Can you post it? Just want to know, how Su-30 will fare against Rafale
I don't have the score of the Garuda exercises, we just have the testimony of @vstol Jockey who said that the SU 30 MKI had won in dog fight and that the Rafale had won in BVR. For the dog fight it was due to particular tactics using the directional nozzles, but since then, in France I was told that it was mainly the surprise effect that explained this result and that now that it will not happen again we know how to counter this type of tactics.
I suppose we will see in the next Garuda exercise.
Perhaps the combo SU 30 MKI/ Rafale will defeat the french Rafale in BVR?
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Yes, that is how it was.
We all know how chinese ripoff su30 performed against jas gripen. Logically speaking MKI won't stay alive against much advanced rafale.
We can add the lack of HCMS on the french bird. Something the Indian bird have.
Experts - Please tell me. All it takes is a single Rafale / few Rafales to defeat an S-400?
S-400 is a $1B system, and it can be so easily defeated? Is it that easy?
If SPECTRA works as we on this forum think it works, then most SAM systems cannot survive against it, and definitely not the S-400.
If SPECTRA doesn't work as planned, then the Rafale will require quite a bit of teamwork along with standoff EW support for it to defeat the S-400.
In simple words, the Rafale will either overwhelm the S-400 or struggle a bit before defeating it. But the Rafale has the means to defeat the S-400.
As of today, without the Rafale, we have little to no chance against it, although the upgraded M2000 may have some chance against it when used in numbers.
I am no expert but here's my 2 cent opinion. Problem with rafale is that it's not a true VLO aircraft like F 35 or F 22 or other American stealth planes. It will always rely on EW to make up for it's shortcoming....which also make it
vulnerable.
• Now S 400 primary radars vs rafale given rafale RCS value between 1.5 m2 & 2 m2 fully loaded.
• 91N6E S band "Big bird" surveillance radar > will detect rafale around 300km
•92N6E X band "Grave stone" FCR > around 200 km
since rafale will be using Spectra EW system and it is estimated to reduce rafale RCS to 0.06 m2 ......detection range would be much less.....Probably 150 km in case of big bird and 100 km in case of grave stone. This will probably give rafale enough time to overcome S 400 and smash it.
S 400 can use radar mast to detect low flying rafale at longer ranges and if it try to sneak in specially in Tibet.
and system like 96L6AP active passive radar complex to counter spectra EW and other airborne jammers and help in early detection of rafale at longer ranges.
So it may not be that easy for non stealth fighter jet to overcome S 400 without a bloody nose. Only F 35 and F 22 or other VLO, ELO aircraft can come out unscratched in my opinion.
A drone swarm will be the best way to go in future for non stealth fighter jets to survive contested air defence zone's filled with multiple frequency radars and system like S 400.
Rafale is working on DEDRIA which will reduce RCS of rafale further but it still be a non stealth fighter jet and will always be vulnerable.
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