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France slashes Rafale Marine fighter jets' price after talks


New Delhi: India and France are inching closer to signing a deal for the Rafale Marine fighter jets required for Indian aircraft carriers, with the two sides coming to a final price bid for the acquisition. Sources said that after several rounds of negotiations in the defence ministry, the price offer has been significantly reduced and the deal would be benchmarked on the 2016 deal for 36 Rafale jets that were acquired for the Air Force.

The acquisition, which has been in the works for over three years, is also likely to be discussed during the visit of National Security Advisor Ajit Doval to Paris this week. The naval fighter acquisition as well as an order for three additional Kalvari class submarines to be built in Mumbai are the two major defence deals being processed with France.

The Navy has a requirement of 26 fighter jets capable of operating from its aircraft carriers. In a series of trials, it evaluated both Boeing F/A 18 Super Hornet and Rafale M before selecting the latter on technical grounds.

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For more than a year, commercial discussions have taken place between India and France for a final signing of the contract. The deal is being processed under the government-to-government route, as was the case for the previous acquisition of Rafale jets for the Air Force.

Sources said besides compatibility with the Air Force fleet, the naval jets will be equipped with specialised anti-ship weaponry and long-range fuel tanks for tasks at sea. They will also get the Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missiles, which are by far the most advanced in the region.

Earlier, the Rajnath Singh-led Defence Acquisition Council had approved certain amendments that led to the offering of a final price bid. Among them were dropping of an earlier plan to integrate an Indian radar and weapons on the naval jets. The plans were dropped due to the high cost involved in replacing the radar and more importantly the estimated timeline of eight years to complete the integration.

The Rafale Ms are being bought as a stop gap arrangement till the development of indigenous twin-engined deck-based fighters that is being undertaken by the Aeronautical Development Agency.
 
54 deg/sec ITR is limited?
That's with a combination of canards + TVC though. Without TVC, don't think MKI's ITR is that much better than Rafale/Typhoon/F-22. Maybe just equal or slightly better. The above two have got only canards, while F-22 has got horizontal tails + TVC.

MKI has got everything from canards to tails to TVC, lol. As if it was just designed to out turn everything.
 
Incredible ! Negotiations that too multiple rounds of it while @Picdelamirand-oil was insistent that Dassault is far from a profiteer & only charges what it believes is a just amount for its wares. In other words no negotiations. It's take it or leave it .
 
Incredible ! Negotiations that too multiple rounds of it while @Picdelamirand-oil was insistent that Dassault is far from a profiteer & only charges what it believes is a just amount for its wares. In other words no negotiations. It's take it or leave it .
I stand by what I said, it's up to you to decide whether you believe me or whether you prefer the story in an Indian newspaper. I note that the price is the same as for the previous 36 and that all we had to do was agree on inflation. Normally, inflation is public data, so it's easy enough to agree on it. :ROFLMAO:
 
I stand by what I said, it's up to you to decide whether you believe me or whether you prefer the story in an Indian newspaper. I note that the price is the same as for the previous 36 and that all we had to do was agree on inflation. Normally, inflation is public data, so it's easy enough to agree on it. :ROFLMAO:
How can the prices be the same when these are two different Fighters with two different services with different ISE requirements , the escalation due to inflation notwithstanding ?

Note : I'm referring to the base price here.
 
How can the prices be the same when these are two different Fighters with two different services with different ISE requirements , the escalation due to inflation notwithstanding ?

Note : I'm referring to the base price here.
Maybe Dassault had sent its complete price list and then they made their invoice by dipping into the price list.
 
There will be plenty of other components worth haggling over compared to the stuff already decided under the IAF's deal. Let's not forget that negotiations for the first 36 happened in 2015, this is 9 years post that. There's a lot of new tech available now. And the IAF also requires more weapons and retrofit upgrades. There will be an industrial component as well.
 
Incredible ! Negotiations that too multiple rounds of it while @Picdelamirand-oil was insistent that Dassault is far from a profiteer & only charges what it believes is a just amount for its wares. In other words no negotiations. It's take it or leave it .
After N bargainings, the negotiation come to an end. At this point it's indeed take it or leave it. It's the customer choice.
 
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How can the prices be the same when these are two different Fighters with two different services with different ISE requirements , the escalation due to inflation notwithstanding ?
commonality between M and C/B variant is huge. Main difference : integrated ladder, stronger under carriage, stronger hook.
Even the anti rust treatments are the same between naval and landed version.
So not so surprising.
 
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After N bargainings, the negotiation come to an end. At this point it's indeed take it or leave it. It's the customer choice.
What N bargaining ? Apart from pumpjet propulsion system there's nothing France has which we seek . While this was my stance earlier there's been a change in it .



So this may well be another attempt by France to get the foot within the door much like the TS program with SAFRAN for the IMRH project.
 
What N bargaining ? Apart from pumpjet propulsion system there's nothing France has which we seek . While this was my stance earlier there's been a change in it .



So this may well be another attempt by France to get the foot within the door much like the TS program with SAFRAN for the IMRH project.
Price bargainings.
There is not a single purchase not bargained indefinitely by you. After that you are crying for delay... see F404 engine purchase (et least not a french exemple...)
 
There will be plenty of other components worth haggling over compared to the stuff already decided under the IAF's deal. Let's not forget that negotiations for the first 36 happened in 2015, this is 9 years post that. There's a lot of new tech available now. And the IAF also requires more weapons and retrofit upgrades. There will be an industrial component as well.
Some say that Ajit Doval also discussed the MRFA with the French.
 
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