Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

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We will get everything from them including the engine being manufactured in India. wait and watch.

You need to know that when we compare CCC with LERX, there is no difference in enhancement of lift till between 4* AOA till about 2* short of stall AOA. CCC gives about 2* higher stall AOA and thats it. The increase in Clmax for both remains same between these AOA values.

It applies to every aircraft which uses Vicky configuration of 195m deck run, 14* ramp with 50m ramp length and 28kts wind on deck. The deck acceleration has nothing to do with lifting ability of the aircraft. That comes into play after ramp exit. F-18 has 20* wingsweep and Rafale has 48* wingsweep. At MTOW, Rafale has 536kgs/sqm wingloading and SH F-18 has 644 kgs/sqm wingloading. Now if we calculate the equivalent loading of SH F-18 wing with Rafale, we get Cos20*/Cos48*=1.4 or SH F-18 can have 754 kgs/sqm wingloading and yet have same take off speed. This is based on the factor that at about 12-16* AOA for deck exit, the Cl max figure for both aircraft due to CCC and LERX will be same. Minor differences will come due to the airfoil section used. I had told RA Ahuja about my calculations and asked him not to waste money on trials in USA. he just told me that the trials have been completed and yet again my calculations have been proven by actual trials. I wish I could share whatsapp messages here between him and me. I have to keep them secret. I had congratulated him about two months back for SH F-18 deal. What most do not know is that F18-3 comes with 414EPE which has twice the generator power compared to legacy 414-400 and its electronics are going to be far more powerfull compared to any fighter presently flying in the world. It has more electrical power than anyother US fighter.

I know far more than anyone on this forum and also far more than anybody within MOD on this deal. I know what all Boeing is willing to do to get this probale order of over 200 aircraft for IAF & IN. French have burnt their bridges by hackling on offsets and also their stupidity of trying to force IAF to order more Rafale and extend the time limit of meeting offset targets. They had additional orders with them already. If you try and eat very fast, you choke yourself to death and French have done exactly same.
Does that mean the f18 radar for epe version will be on par with f15EX's radar??
 
This is based on the factor that at about 12-16* AOA for deck exit, the Cl max figure for both aircraft due to CCC and LERX will be same.
How can you imagine that computerized controls canard gives only the same benefits as LERX which are fixed. Dassault is really stupid to make life so complicated.
 
How can you imagine that computerized controls canard gives only the same benefits as LERX which are fixed. Dassault is really stupid to make life so complicated.
CCC means=c;lose couple canards. Typhoon has control canards. Please do a google search of "LERX vs CCC". you will get to see many studies by USA who did them much before you tried it. They completely debunked the theory. Do you know why? In an unstable configuration like CCC of Rafale, the canards carry a negative load just like a stable wing-tail design but for an unstable configuration of wing-tail, the tail carries positive load. This factor when combined with LERX results in higher overall lift as the complete aircraft is a lifting body with zero nagative lift.
 
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French have burnt their bridges by hackling on offsets and also their stupidity of trying to force IAF to order more Rafale and extend the time limit of meeting offset targets. They had additional orders with them already. If you try and eat very fast, you choke yourself to death and French have done exactly same.
So basically French are now in situation where hindi slang saying will come true..

Aas Kiya Chawda Hath Main Aaya L**da...😂😂😁😁😝😝😜😜
 
CCC means=c;lose couple canards. Typhoon has control canards. Please do a google search of "LERX vs CCC". you will get to see many studies by USA who did them much before you tried it. They completely debunked the theory. Do you know why? In an unstable configuration like CCC of Rafale, the canards carry a negative load just like a stable wing-tail design but for an unstable configuration of wing-tail, the tail carries positive load. This factor when combined with LERX results in higher overall lift as the complete aircraft is a lifting body with zero nagative lift.
I'm surprised that USA studied "canard" before us because The term "canard" arose from the appearance of the Santos-Dumont 14-bis of 1906, which was said to be reminiscent of a duck (canard in French) with its neck stretched out in flight. And I know that Typhoon have control canard what I wanted to say is that the Rafale canard are controled by computer which give a lot of new possibilities compare to LERX. And your explanation is very simplistic and does not reflect all the finesse of the interaction of the canards with the wing of the plane which the computer can operate in different modes depending on the flight phase of the plane.
For example, thanks to the canards and the FCS, the instability of the Rafale is dynamic and can be adjusted on the ground and in flight which gives a great freedom to hang heavy loads on the aircraft (and to drop them without the pilot feeling anything).
 
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The Rafale has approximately 100 percent more lift coefficient (CL) on approach than the pure delta, although the wing loadings are approximately the same. This gain in CL results in a reduction in approach speed, thus assuring STOL capability.

The gain in CL is attributable to the fact that the canard can generate a large lifting force and thus a large nose-up moment which is trimmed out by positive wing elevon deflections.

Such trimming generates a positive trim lift increase. The pure delta, however, must utilize negative elevon deflections which cause a lift loss.
 
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Now you are teasing Lolwa
 
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According to this article, payload capacity of Rafale M is whopping 13t. Is it true?
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According to this article, payload capacity of Rafale M is whopping 13t. Is it true?
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No they have confused the tonnage with the number of armament carrying points, which is 13 on the Navy version.
Payload capacity is 9.5 t when take off is from ground, if the take off is from carrier you need to take into account performance of the carrier too.
But all the French operational configurations used on the CATOBAR Charle de Gaulle, will be available on your STOBAR aircraft carriers.
 
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Boeing offers F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet fighter jet to Indian Navy
Boeing has expressed interest in supplying the F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet fighter jet to the Indian Navy.
Responding to queries from BusinessLine, the company said, “We have responded to the Indian Navy’s Request for Information (RFI) for the Multi-role Carrier Borne Fighters programme. The F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet, the frontline fighter of the US Navy, is on offer to the Indian Navy. It will offer the most contemporary war-fighting capabilities to the Indian Navy while enhancing cooperation between the Indian Navy and US Navy.”
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