Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

[Sathya]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321481779304255488

I think f18 is not gonna come.
My heart is happy, but my brain is angry now.

U never know, thinking of government will change based upto the situation s.

But I trust our economy is not that good to buy F18 at least in short term.

Let's not focus too far.. To next decade.

Mk1 A & Lift are for this decade.

Hope Mk2 is ready before the end of this decade.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

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I think f18 is not gonna come.
My heart is happy, but my brain is angry now.

57, definitely not. 20-30 , real possibility there. Everything depends upon what either the SH or Rafale M can prove.

TEDBF is for IAC2 when that happens.

 

[_Anonymous_]

57, definitely not. 20-30 , real possibility there. Everything depends upon what either the SH or Rafale M can prove.

TEDBF is for IAC2 when that happens.

If HVT has tweeted no further imports except for the MMRCA-2.0 / MRFA, I think it's safe to rule out the F-18's. He's already tweeted on a, preliminary design project by ADA being given the go ahead by the MoD. He'd have better sources of information that most of us here.

Besides, let's be practical. Look at the state of our economy. It'd take us a good 2-3 years to get out of this rut. Then again, are the MRCBF a priority with the IN especially today when the MoD has ruled out 3rd Carrier which also happened to be before the Chinese virus struck. If the answer to all these is a no or a maybe instead of a resolute yes, I think you can deduce what's in the offing.

The TEDBF will fly from all our AC . There may be a slim chance of a 5th gen AC but that would be in limited numbers from the IAC-3 when it materializes.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

If HVT has tweeted no further imports except for the MMRCA-2.0 / MRFA, I think it's safe to rule out the F-18's. He's already tweeted on a, preliminary design project by ADA being given the go ahead by the MoD. He'd have better sources of information that most of us here.

Besides, let's be practical. Look at the state of our economy. It'd take us a good 2-3 years to get out of this rut. Then again, are the MRCBF a priority with the IN especially today when the MoD has ruled out 3rd Carrier which also happened to be before the Chinese virus struck. If the answer to all these is a no or a maybe instead of a resolute yes, I think you can deduce what's in the offing.

The TEDBF will fly from all our AC . There may be a slim chance of a 5th gen AC but that would be in limited numbers from the IAC-3 when it materializes.

He will talk what's best for HAL, not IAF or IN. Therefore I do not blindly believe his views to be that of either MoD or the forces.

When IAC1 goes to deployment in 2023, IN will need more aircrafts. And either it will be Mig29K from Russian Navy or new built SH/Rafale if they are good enough. TEDBF is 10 years away minimum, and IN will need something to fly. We will see a deal for it.

 

[Hydra]

He will talk what's best for HAL, not IAF or IN. Therefore I do not blindly believe his views to be that of either MoD or the forces.

When IAC1 goes to deployment in 2023, IN will need more aircrafts. And either it will be Mig29K from Russian Navy or new built SH/Rafale if they are good enough. TEDBF is 10 years away minimum, and IN will need something to fly. We will see a deal for it.

If HAL managed to push an un cooked fighter like Tejas MK1 in to the throat of IAF,then definitely they can block IN going F18.

 

[_Anonymous_]

He will talk what's best for HAL, not IAF or IN. Therefore I do not blindly believe his views to be that of either MoD or the forces.

Frankly, I've never seen him make tall claims but in the absence of any official confirmation, I'd rest the matter.

When IAC1 goes to deployment in 2023, IN will need more aircrafts. And either it will be Mig29K from Russian Navy or new built SH/Rafale if they are good enough. TEDBF is 10 years away minimum, and IN will need something to fly. We will see a deal for it.

IN already has 45 MiG-29Ks minus those lost to mishaps. I think they've also factored in operating one AC at any given point of time ( not sure about this) . I don't see any option besides ordering 1 more squadron of MiG-29k plus additional ones to cover for attrition.

There seems to be zero news on either the MRCBF tender or any GtG discussion for procuring the Rafales of the F-18s while the INS Vikrant will be commissioned in 2-3 years. I'm afraid the writing is on the wall on this one.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

If HAL managed to push an un cooked fighter like Tejas MK1 in to the throat of IAF,then definitely they can block IN going F18.

Irrelevant. By the time HAL/ADA can actually make a twin engine certified aircraft for aircraft carriers, IAC1 will be going to its repair and refit.

 

[Hydra]

Irrelevant. By the time HAL/ADA can actually make a twin engine certified aircraft for aircraft carriers, IAC1 will be going to its repair and refit.

Then history is repeating,IAF already in ventilator when HAL made FOC variant LCA Tejas mk1.

 

[Sathya]

57, definitely not. 20-30 , real possibility there. Everything depends upon what either the SH or Rafale M can prove.

TEDBF is for IAC2 when that happens.

In that case, Rafale would be much better.
No need for a new aircraft and it's logistics.
If F 18 , then again won't stop at 20-30, piece meal later on would definitely follow.

 

[Sathya]

If HAL managed to push an un cooked fighter like Tejas MK1 in to the throat of IAF,then definitely they can block IN going F18.

Mk1 is better than flying outdated Mig 21 s & Jaguars.

Definitely much better than having less squadron s.

It ll also be upgraded to MK1A standards.

And can undergo multiple upgradations at our will.

 

[Hydra]

Mk1 is better than flying outdated Mig 21 s & Jaguars.

Definitely much better than having less squadron s.

It ll also be upgraded to MK1A standards.

And can undergo multiple upgradations at our will.

The point i am telling is that HAL is capable enough to force IAF to purchase 40 mediocre fighters (asper IAF's standard). IAF was clearly against Tejas Mk1, yet they forced to to do so.

 

[Sathya]

Frankly, I've never seen him make tall claims but in the absence of any official confirmation, I'd rest the matter.

IN already has 45 MiG-29Ks minus those lost to mishaps. I think they've also factored in operating one AC at any given point of time ( not sure about this) . I don't see any option besides ordering 1 more squadron of MiG-29k plus additional ones to cover for attrition.

There seems to be zero news on either the MRCBF tender or any GtG discussion for procuring the Rafales of the F-18s while the INS Vikrant will be commissioned in 2-3 years. I'm afraid the writing is on the wall on this one.

Writing on the wall - Mig 29 k?

There is also first HVT s tweet about someone sitting on the fence watching indigenous program die.. Making me uncomfortable.. After that few news article proping up..

 

[Sathya]

The point i am telling is that HAL is capable enough to force IAF to purchase 40 mediocre fighters (asper IAF's standard). IAF was clearly against Tejas Mk1, yet they forced to to do so.

Yeah we were very slow.
There was a talk of converting 10 ioc + 30 Foc, when it was delayed.. Still we went at the same pace.

December is not far away. We ll see who is going to delay the orders this time.

 

[Tatvamasi]

If HVT has tweeted no further imports except for the MMRCA-2.0

He is just a test pilot working for a competition. Navy will decide if they need a fighter before 'yet to approve fighter' or not.

 

[randomradio]

He will talk what's best for HAL, not IAF or IN. Therefore I do not blindly believe his views to be that of either MoD or the forces.

Yep. Company-owned TPs are the PR faces of the company.

Remember how much he advertised ORCA? It was basically HAL's attempt to scuttle MRFA.
Or when he said MKI will not get the 117S? Because the Russians want to set up a production and MRO facility for the 117S with the private sector, which means HAL will not get anything out of it. Whereas sticking with the AL-31FP would mean 20 more years of business.

And now, he is speaking against MRCBF because the spares and MRO facility will be built within the private sector with nothing for HAL.

When IAC1 goes to deployment in 2023, IN will need more aircrafts. And either it will be Mig29K from Russian Navy or new built SH/Rafale if they are good enough. TEDBF is 10 years away minimum, and IN will need something to fly. We will see a deal for it.

Yep. The IN is in need of 36 new jets at the minimum and simply because we need two proper air wings for the two carriers. Especially during emergency situations when both carriers can be sent out.

 

[vstol Jockey]

What I have gathered is that IN & IAF both will go for the Growlers and atleast one squadron each. IN will go for two squadrons of SH F-18s in addition to Growlers. IN is shifting to US equipment in a major way. From P-8s to MH-60 to drones to now F-18s. There will be commonality of equipment between IN & USN with even pilots trained to operate eachothers equipment.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

What I have gathered is that IN & IAF both will go for the Growlers and atleast one squadron each. IN will go for two squadrons of SH F-18s in addition to Growlers. IN is shifting to US equipment in a major way. From P-8s to MH-60 to drones to now F-18s. There will be commonality of equipment between IN & USN with even pilots trained to operate eachothers equipment.

Did your friend at Boeing tell you that?

 

[Ashwin]

What I have gathered is that IN & IAF both will go for the Growlers and atleast one squadron each. IN will go for two squadrons of SH F-18s in addition to Growlers. IN is shifting to US equipment in a major way. From P-8s to MH-60 to drones to now F-18s. There will be commonality of equipment between IN & USN with even pilots trained to operate eachothers equipment.

It should be a joint squadron. Naval squadron but can operate from any air stations.

Something Like the Royal Airforce's 617 SQUADRON.​

 

[randomradio]

What I have gathered is that IN & IAF both will go for the Growlers and atleast one squadron each. IN will go for two squadrons of SH F-18s in addition to Growlers. IN is shifting to US equipment in a major way. From P-8s to MH-60 to drones to now F-18s. There will be commonality of equipment between IN & USN with even pilots trained to operate eachothers equipment.

If the Rafale fails on the STOBAR carriers, then the IN going for a Growler+SH combo is fine, but I doubt the IAF will go for it when better options are available, like business jets with 12-hour endurance. It can even be designed with American assistance and technology, like we are with the ISTARs. You get more power, more range, more personnel, bigger antennas etc.

The Americans are looking to replace the EC-130H Compass Call. They are going to base it on the Gulfstream G550 called the EC-37B. So that's what even we should be looking at for the air force if we want commonality.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Did your friend at Boeing tell you that?

This is what has been offered by US and most likely will be accepted due to political reasons.

If the Rafale fails on the STOBAR carriers, then the IN going for a Growler+SH combo is fine, but I doubt the IAF will go for it when better options are available, like business jets with 12-hour endurance. It can even be designed with American assistance and technology, like we are with the ISTARs. You get more power, more range, more personnel, bigger antennas etc.

The Americans are looking to replace the EC-130H Compass Call. They are going to base it on the Gulfstream G550 called the EC-37B. So that's what even we should be looking at for the air force if we want commonality.

IAF is open to the idea of Growlers in their fleet. Growlers come with very high jamming power and can provide EW support for a large force and large area.