On an aircraft carrier it is safer to bring the weapons onto the deck using a different lift than the one used for aircraft
The SH will win due to political reasons. It should be able to meet the IN's requirements, and that could end up being enough of a reason. The diverse weapons options is merely an advantage, not a potential reason for victory.
No comparison at all.
The ASRAAM is a step up over the Aim-9X II and the MICA NG is a step up over the ASRAAM.
The AIM-260 is just a stopgap missile, it's unlikely to have been designed to be better than the Meteor.
No. It will come with B4.
When will NG will finish its first flight? All developmental tests? And serial production.
Well the aim 260 is not here right now. The aim 120d is pretty much on par with pl-15 considering the export version has a range of 145 km. So it's a decent stop gap until the 260 comes online. And it will be only available for export to us by 2026. By that time the Chinese will have the pl-21/xx online. The best option would be integrating the astra mk 3 if that happens.
If it was political the Rafale would win this. We are far closer to the French than the Americans. The Super-hornet fits in the carriers far easily than the Rafale. I guess that and its ability to carry 2ashms along with the commonality with the tedbf might result in Boeing winning this one.
But Rafale N has to be built and flight tested. It's not the same situation.
You need both capabilities.
260 was made as a stopgap before the LREW comes in. 120 has been outclassed. That 145Km range is at medium altitude.
Political because it's needed for interoperability.
I think we all can agree that missiles are as classified as Aircraft, in some way even more so. We are all guessing our opinions. Perhaps it is more than wiki specs?
However, We have left the radar and one way data link out of this, so far. I think they are both relevant
The sh won't have a nuclear option, unless India pays for its development, so a negative there
However, We have left the radar and one way data link out of this, so far. I think they are both relevant
The sh won't have a nuclear option, unless India pays for its development, so a negative there
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2024 is the first flight. So it should take until 2028 before it's inducted.
It's a choice. If you want it, they can provide it. To date, no one has asked for it.
The Aim-120D has a 130-150 mile range. The Aim-120D broke the US record held by the Pheonix missile at 126+ miles.
F-15 Eagle Scores “Longest Known” Air-To-Air Missile Shot During U.S. Air Force Test
The AIM-120 AMRAAM blasted a BQM-167 drone out of the sky at an unprecedented distance.
www.thedrive.com
We do need to realise that IN has a set of minimum requirements. If both platforms get there, its pretty much the case of who offers better terms.
Missiles, politics, etc won't really matter.
Missiles, politics, etc won't really matter.
The Aim-120D has a 130-150 mile range. The Aim-120D broke the US record held by the Pheonix missile at 126+ miles.
F-15 Eagle Scores “Longest Known” Air-To-Air Missile Shot During U.S. Air Force Test
The AIM-120 AMRAAM blasted a BQM-167 drone out of the sky at an unprecedented distance.
It may not necessarily be the AIM-120D itself, but its ESSM cousin.
It was the Aim-120D.
In March, an F-15C fired an AIM-120D Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile at a BQM-167 targeting drone in the longest known air-to-air missile shot to date, resulting in a “kill” of the target from the farthest distance recorded, the 53rd Wing said in a release. However, the wing would not release the length of the shot, or the previous known record.
F-15C Records Longest Air-to-Air Shot in Test | Air & Space Forces Magazine
An F-15C Eagle set a record for the longest air-to-air kill, but we won’t know what the record is.
www.airforcemag.com
AFAIK. Only the Rafale has a one way data link on the meteor, I don't know if F4 or F5 will fix this
It was the Aim-120D.
In March, an F-15C fired an AIM-120D Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile at a BQM-167 targeting drone in the longest known air-to-air missile shot to date, resulting in a “kill” of the target from the farthest distance recorded, the 53rd Wing said in a release. However, the wing would not release the length of the shot, or the previous known record.
F-15C Records Longest Air-to-Air Shot in Test | Air & Space Forces Magazine
An F-15C Eagle set a record for the longest air-to-air kill, but we won’t know what the record is.
I think the D moniker is just to obfuscate outsiders.
Raytheon dominates the AIM-120 program. LM has taken over AIM-260 while Raytheon is working on the more long term LREW. So this AIM-120 tested is very likely to be Raytheon's own AIM-260 competitor. And it could very well be the air-launched version of the AMRAAM-ER. Plus there's news out that LREW doesn't fit into the IWBs of the F-22 and F-35 for some reason.
Depends on whether they want it fixed.
As far as weapons go, I don't see why the ASRAAM & Meteor can't be integrated on the SH - the ASRAAM especially as its now being assembled in India. For BVR the Meteor is an expensive option, but so is AIM120D, which is why I think the Americans' willingness to allow integration of local weapons like Astra BVR to be one of the factors to be considered. The French score in that regard.
A2G mission sets will require integration of ARMs and ASMs. If the local NGARM/Rudram-1 can be integrated, we're golden (Rafale will allow this, remains to be seen if SH will) otherwise purchase of AGM88 (or AARGM-ER in future) will become necessary. I'd prefer if SH would allow for integration of the Rudram family (-2 & 3 will offer capabilities similar to AARGM platform) like Rafale would.
ASMs is a mission set where I feel SH has an advantage - the OEM missiles (Harpoon & Exocet) give SH the advantage. AGM84L is lighter + longer ranged. Plus already operated by P8I & maritime Jaguars. Rafale is more likely to allow integration of Brahmos-NG but here's the problem - I don't think it would make much sense in a naval application especially from STOBAR.
Its a 1.5 ton missile. For the same payload you can carry 3 x AGM84s (realistically 2, each about ~550kg), or better yet Kongsberg JSM (each ~420kg, actual possibility for 3 rounds). The JSM would give you similar range as Brahmos-NG (280km) at sea skimming, but up to 560km with hi-lo profile.
Not to mention, 2 or 3 subsonic missiles would offer a better chance of penetrating defences than a single supersonic missile.
Only way I see it feasible to carry Brahmos-NG would be to forego drop tanks. That would have to put the Carrier group in uncomfortable proximity to enemy surface assets.
A2G mission sets will require integration of ARMs and ASMs. If the local NGARM/Rudram-1 can be integrated, we're golden (Rafale will allow this, remains to be seen if SH will) otherwise purchase of AGM88 (or AARGM-ER in future) will become necessary. I'd prefer if SH would allow for integration of the Rudram family (-2 & 3 will offer capabilities similar to AARGM platform) like Rafale would.
ASMs is a mission set where I feel SH has an advantage - the OEM missiles (Harpoon & Exocet) give SH the advantage. AGM84L is lighter + longer ranged. Plus already operated by P8I & maritime Jaguars. Rafale is more likely to allow integration of Brahmos-NG but here's the problem - I don't think it would make much sense in a naval application especially from STOBAR.
Its a 1.5 ton missile. For the same payload you can carry 3 x AGM84s (realistically 2, each about ~550kg), or better yet Kongsberg JSM (each ~420kg, actual possibility for 3 rounds). The JSM would give you similar range as Brahmos-NG (280km) at sea skimming, but up to 560km with hi-lo profile.
Not to mention, 2 or 3 subsonic missiles would offer a better chance of penetrating defences than a single supersonic missile.
Only way I see it feasible to carry Brahmos-NG would be to forego drop tanks. That would have to put the Carrier group in uncomfortable proximity to enemy surface assets.
Australia thinks the D is ok. It ordered $1.2B...450 of them in 2016
Australia to Buy 450 Advanced US-Made Air-to-Air Missiles
The U.S. State Department has cleared a sale of advanced air-to-air missiles to Australia.
thediplomat.com
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