Yes, but here too you have to take into account Indian time. 75 years of Indian time represents only 9 years 4 months and 15 days of normal time, and it takes at least 30 years of normal time to develop an efficient aeronautics industry.
The SH F-18 blk3 as offered to IN was supposed to come with these engines. They already have two certified prototypes of these aircraft. And soon the majority of F-18E/F will be equipped with this engine as part of upgrade. This engine is fit to go to 128KN but has been restricted to 116 KN as the intakes can support an airflow of only 85kgs/second.
The Americans develop aircraft in force and the French make them intelligent.
I already posted indian offer page from boeing. You can check interviews of their representatives on the same.
Its a bad choice nevertheless. It would have taken billions in integration since USN rejected it.
It comes with obvious downsides like less engine life and bad SFC.
The engine on B3 is new. What Vstol is referring to is merely an uprated version of the same engine. While engine core life will drop down by half, it's still 2.5 times more than the M88-4E, 2000 hours vs 800 hours. The current one gives 4000 hours. At the very least, there was no problem with the engine option from SH.
Avionics too, it was hit or miss, some things were better, some were worse, some did not even exist.
The issue was the airframe, it's very old, too big, too heavy, reduced performance, tougher maintenance and so on.
Basically excellent avionics and engine, sh!tty airframe. The only good thing about it was its higher service life.
The core life of 128KN engine would have been more as that would not have been restricted to the intake limitations of F18 E/F. Pls understand that cooling of the core and the afterburner thrust is directtly proportional to the mass flow. The amount of additional fuel flow that you can add for afterburner thrust is based totally on the bypass ratio of the engine. After burner thrust is beyond the HP+LP Turbines
You missed the integration cost. Also, M88-4E was never considered so that comparison is not correct.
As Rafale M has already won the tender, shouldn't we start a new thread on it rather than continuing(vs SH discussion) in this very thread?
I don't know where you came up with this figure of 800 hours, because we no longer communicate this kind of figure, we communicate the number of cycles because it's more precise, that's what SAFRAN says, for example:
Nobody is forcing you to visit this thread and read about SH, sunshine. You can leave and stay out when you want for as long as you want so stop trying to censor threads that you're tired of reading.
Yes, it's all calculated using TAC.
Here's a figure for F100 and F110.
This new fan can increase the thrust of the engine or can extend the engine’s hot section design inspection interval from 4,300 total accumulated cycles (TACs) to 6,000 TACs by lowering the maximum turbine inlet temperature by approximately 120o F while maintaining the F100-PW-229’s maximum thrust level.
As in the F110- PW-232, the F110-132’s improved fan can be used to increase the thrust of the engine or to extend the hot section design inspection interval to 6,000 TACs.
The F414 EDE seems to be a significant improvement over these engines though.
GE F414 Engine Deployed On F/A-18E/F; Potential Applications Growing | GE News
GE F414 Engine Deployed On F/A-18E/F; Potential Applications Growing
So hours translate into more cycles. Assuming a multiplier of 1.5 at the minimum, we get 9000 cycles for the compressor's overhaul. That's 2.25. Now all we need is how many hours the M88's core can function between overhauls.
Anyway, the last I heard about the M88 is its inspection interval is 800 hours, so I guess it should be at least 2500 hours of core life, not 800. 'Cause then the 2.5 times difference would make more sense. So 6000/2500 = 2.4. And 2500x1.5 = 3750 cycles. So maybe 2600 hours.
And GE has eliminated the need for inspections for the F110.
GE F110 F404/F414 Fighter Engines Expand Capability and Global Presence | GE News
GE F110 F404/F414 Fighter Engines Expand Capability and Global Presence
So it may have translated into greater benefits in the F414.
The lines between gens have become blurred hence 4.5th gen. Unlike moving from prop powered to jet powered planes which is a clear distinction. 6th gen looks like 5th gen with more automation and drone swarms for support.
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Wow! Now the articles are picking up what I foretold about Rafale M vs J-15s:
frontierindia.com
And some people here think that Rafale Ms will never face PLAN fighters, lol.
@randomradio What's your take on Rafalec M vs J-35 in a head-on fight?
Rafale M vs J-15: Indian Navy Aircraft Carriers Have an Advantage over the Chinese
In India, Dassault Aviation and Team Rafale had participated in an extensive testing campaign to determine the
frontierindia.com
And some people here think that Rafale Ms will never face PLAN fighters, lol.
@randomradio What's your take on Rafalec M vs J-35 in a head-on fight?
Whatsamatter boy you need someone else who is as clueless as you to think for you? Why don't you give it a go and try to guestimate what would happen if a 4th gen naval fighter went up against a 5th gen/stealth naval fighter head on... but be careful I don't want you to hurt your brain if it gets too difficult to figure out.Wow! Now the articles are picking up what I foretold about Rafale M vs J-15s:
Rafale M vs J-15: Indian Navy Aircraft Carriers Have an Advantage over the Chinese
In India, Dassault Aviation and Team Rafale had participated in an extensive testing campaign to determine the
And some people here think that Rafale Ms will never face PLAN fighters, lol.
@randomradio What's your take on Rafalec M vs J-35 in a head-on fight?
Now they are having fantasies about the super hornet engine.
It is f414-ge-400. Same specs as the F414-INS6 that india is looking at.
It is f414-ge-400. Same specs as the F414-INS6 that india is looking at.
Wow! Now the articles are picking up what I foretold about Rafale M vs J-15s:
Rafale M vs J-15: Indian Navy Aircraft Carriers Have an Advantage over the Chinese
In India, Dassault Aviation and Team Rafale had participated in an extensive testing campaign to determine the
And some people here think that Rafale Ms will never face PLAN fighters, lol.
@randomradio What's your take on Rafalec M vs J-35 in a head-on fight?
Depends on how capable the accompanying drone will be from a STOBAR carrier.
The Chinese will have more capable ships and carriers by 2035, so the Vikrant + Rafale combo won't be enough in both capability or numbers. And weapons and network will matter more than the type of aircraft.
The further away they are from India's land, the greater their advantage 'cause the IAF won't be able to support them without heavy bombers and long range missiles.
The overall situation is much more complex than jet on jet.
The original F414 was a 7 stage engine, the new ones are all 6 stage with new cores. Hence the "6" in INS6.
Indian programs don't need the Enhanced Engine, 'cause all the jets involved are lighter than the SH.
Is IN looking for naval version of AURA? Dassault will also integrate high end drones with Rafale F5 later this decade or early next decade.
Does upgraded MKI and Brahmos combo substitute our bomber disadvantage? What if we place a squadron of MKIs in A & N? They could fight long way away from IAF bases?
