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Like de Valera & Michael Collins or maybe Gerry Adams & McGuinness. This isn't about them. Nor is this thread.Try & come up with an answer or don't post.


This is about the Archbishop of Canterbury atoning for the sins of his forefathers. Would you rather he go to Dublin in a similar act of contriteness.
Not even slightly. Adams and McGuinness fought against what they saw as occupiers independently. Bose simply fought in favour of an even worse would be occupier, in spite of them having committed atrocities like the Nanking massacre and many others in China, which makes Jallianwalla Bagh look like a tea party.
 
Not even slightly. Adams and McGuinness fought against what they saw as occupiers independently. Bose simply fought in favour of an even worse would be occupier, in spite of them having committed atrocities like the Nanking massacre and many others in China, which makes Jallianwalla Bagh look like a tea party.
What they saw as occupiers or who were genuinely occupiers?

Btw - I've posted innumerable articles before on how the IRA were in active contact with Nazi Germany and indulged in sabotage in Britain during WW-2 at the behest of Nazi Germany. Where does that place the IRA in your view?
 
Meanwhile Chandra Bose who helped Japan and Hitler try invade India is a hero with an island named after him.

British government of India oversaw the 1943 bengal famine were an estimated 3 million people died due to starvation and hunger induced by British war time policy. Nataji Bose was well within his right to have made a pact even with the devil himself. Tying up with a lesser devil to uproot a greater evil is perfectly acceptable practice.
 
British government of India oversaw the 1943 bengal famine were an estimated 3 million people died due to starvation and hunger induced by British war time policy. Nataji Bose was well within his right to have made a pact even with the devil himself. Tying up with a lesser devil to uproot a greater evil is perfectly acceptable practice.
Are you absolutely sure that it wasn't caused by other factors, like say the Japanese invasion of Burma cutting off supplies, millions of Indians returning from Burma to Bengal, a population explosion and a crop failure all occurring simultaneously?
 
What they saw as occupiers or who were genuinely occupiers?

Btw - I've posted innumerable articles before on how the IRA were in active contact with Nazi Germany and indulged in sabotage in Britain during WW-2 at the behest of Nazi Germany. Where does that place the IRA in your view?
Depends how far you want to retrace history. Technically Scotland could be deemed to be occupied by the Irish.

They're idiots but nobody celebrates them either side of the border.
 
Depends how far you want to retrace history. Technically Scotland could be deemed to be occupied by the Irish.

They're idiots but nobody celebrates them either side of the border.
Take it as far back as the Celts for all I care and re label WW-2 and your campaign in Germany & Italy as revenge for the Saxons invasion of Britain and that of the Romans too.

Well, your country cousins in N Ireland certainly don't seem to share your view on the IRA or Adams or McGuinness nor all of Ireland which includes the RoI seem to think of De Valera and Collins as idiots. You may well consider them traitors which is what you did in the past. You on the other hand would be viewed as a descendant of a collaborator or a toady.
 
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Take it as far back as the Celts for all I care and re label WW-2 and your campaign in Germany & Italy as revenge for the Saxons invasion of Britain and that of the Romans too.

Well, your country cousins in N Ireland certainly don't seem to share your view on the IRA or Adams or McGuinness nor all of Ireland which includes the RoI seem to think of De Valera and Collins as idiots. You may well consider them traitors which is what you did in the past. You on the other hand would be viewed as a descendant of a collaborator or a toady.
Depends who you ask in Northern Ireland. Anyone who collaborated with the axis powers in WWII is both an idiot and a traitor to humanity and their country. Had Bose got his way, India would have been under the thumb of Imperial Japan and enjoyed the same experiences as China. There is no liberation to be had in that.
 
Are you absolutely sure that it wasn't caused by other factors, like say the Japanese invasion of Burma cutting off supplies, millions of Indians returning from Burma to Bengal, a population explosion and a crop failure all occurring simultaneously?

Read up on Amartya Sen and most recently Tharoor on the Bengal famine and its causes. On the contrary as a result of the Japanese invasion of Burma, fearing an attack on the eastern India, esp Bengal, Britain deliberately stocked up food supplies as reserves. in order to deny Japanese supplies it burnt standing crops and surplus grains, which also resulted in artificial inflation in food prices, making it impossble for the poor in Bengal to afford even single morsel a day. Churchill on any day can make Hitler look like a kindergardner in the art of mass killing.
 
Depends who you ask in Northern Ireland. Anyone who collaborated with the axis powers in WWII is both an idiot and a traitor to humanity and their country. Had Bose got his way, India would have been under the thumb of Imperial Japan and enjoyed the same experiences as China. There is no liberation to be had in that.
So, in your view the IRA was a collaborator ! Thanks for the confirmation. Guess we know where do you stand and what do you stand for! Don't worry about Bose. He did what he must and there's no Indian here or outside who sees it as a stain against his memory. The crowning glory is post the war, there was a mutiny within The ranks of the Royal Indian Navy which was preceded by a public outcry on the trial of treason against INA survivors who were ex Royal Indian Army personnel. All this prompted the British to scoot.

Now if I were you, I'd Worry about the stained history of your own people.
 
So, in your view the IRA was a collaborator ! Thanks for the confirmation. Guess we know where do you stand and what do you stand for! Don't worry about Bose. He did what he must and there's no Indian here or outside who sees it as a stain against his memory. The crowning glory is post the war, there was a mutiny within The ranks of the Royal Indian Navy which was preceded by a public outcry on the trial of treason against INA survivors who were ex Royal Indian Army personnel. All this prompted the British to scoot.

Now if I were you, I'd Worry about the stained history of your own people.
The people who collaborated with the Nazis were yes but no one celebrates them. They're an embarrassment even to the IRA now.

Bose scooted too, and came to a fitting demise when his plane crashed and he burnt too death. I believe he was trying to side with the Soviets at the time.

If I were you I'd worry about your stained underwear.
 
Read up on Amartya Sen and most recently Tharoor on the Bengal famine and its causes. On the contrary as a result of the Japanese invasion of Burma, fearing an attack on the eastern India, esp Bengal, Britain deliberately stocked up food supplies as reserves. in order to deny Japanese supplies it burnt standing crops and surplus grains, which also resulted in artificial inflation in food prices, making it impossble for the poor in Bengal to afford even single morsel a day. Churchill on any day can make Hitler look like a kindergardner in the art of mass killing.
Well here's the problem, you can't get your story straight. Another version is that he diverted food elsewhere to help the war effort. There was no burning of crop. Not a single hit for it on Google and zero images. There were less famines in India during colonial rule than in China during the same period and more people died from famine and malnutrition in 70 years after colonial rule than the 200 years during, despite the green revolution and a host of modern technology, and during peacetime not wartime. The Bengal Famine is an average year for India now.
 
British government of India oversaw the 1943 bengal famine were an estimated 3 million people died due to starvation and hunger induced by British war time policy. Nataji Bose was well within his right to have made a pact even with the devil himself. Tying up with a lesser devil to uproot a greater evil is perfectly acceptable practice.
Are you absolutely sure that it wasn't caused by other factors, like say the Japanese invasion of Burma cutting off supplies, millions of Indians returning from Burma to Bengal, a population explosion and a crop failure all occurring simultaneously?
The bengal famine was not a result of crop failure but a loot of food from India to support WW1 and to ensure that Indians do not retaliate against it, British brought in their stooge Gandhi from SA and presented him as messiah to Indians. Supported by Nehru and Patel, Gandhi and Congress remained tight lipped during the mass murder of Indians.
 
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why not? Churchill is considered greatest Briton ever. So why not?
Churchill succeeded in defeating the axis powers that Bose supported. People responsible for direct and deliberate atrocities, not wartime famines passed off as atrocities.
 
Churchill succeeded in defeating the axis powers that Bose supported. People responsible for direct and deliberate atrocities, not wartime famines passed off as atrocities.

If the Ku Klux Klan defeated the Aryan Brotherhood, how is that to be a celebration?
 
The bengal famine was not a result of crop failure but a loot of food from India to support WW1 and to ensure that Indians do not retaliate against it, British brought in their stooge Gandhi from SA and presented him as messiah to Indians. Supported by Nehru and Patel, Gandhi and Congress remained tight lipped during the mass murder of Indians.
WWI is the wrong period. Churchill was fighting a war on three fronts, he simply didn't realise the extend of what was happening in Bengal. The crop did fail.

Bengal famine of 1943 - Wikipedia

Both the FAD and FEE perspectives would agree that Bengal experienced at least some grain shortage in 1943 due to the loss of imports from Burma, damage from the cyclone, and brown-spot infestation. However, FEE analyses do not consider shortage the main factor,[322] while FAD-oriented scholars such as Bowbrick (1986) hold that a sharp drop in the food supply was the pivotal determining factor. Tauger (2003) and Padmanabhan (1973), in particular, argue that the impact of brown-spot disease was vastly underestimated, both during the famine and in later analyses. The signs of crop infestation by the fungus are subtle; given the social and administrative conditions at the time, local officials would very likely have overlooked them.[323]