PAK-FA / Sukhoi Su-57 - Updates and Discussions
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I wouldn't write of the Su 57 program, if I were you. We haven't even begun ours yet. Let's see how well we surmount the problems other players have faced. @randomradio
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For sure. In the heavy fighters, Su30 will be replaced by the bottom by AMCA, and by the top by Su57.
In the medium fighters, Rafale.
In the light, LCA, LCA2....
The AMCA's were supposed to replace the Mirage 2000 & the MiG 29. LCA were supposed to replace the MiG 21 & Rafales the Jaguars. However, with LCA Mk2 morphing into the MCA, I'm not sure what will AMCA's replace. Moreover, there's a case to be made for an indigenous Heavy Weight Fighter ( HWF) program to be initiated between 2025-30 timeline to replace the Su 30 MKI. The requirement for the Su 57 is altogether for a different purpose. I think it's more to do with combatting Chinese 5th generation FA & to give us a feel & experience with 5th generation FA.
I agree with that, I was just summarising what IAF chief Dhanoa said about the RuAF first acquiring it then we will consider it.
Now that we are buying S 400 , So F35 is Ruled out
At some point of Time , we will need a Fifth
Gen Plane , So the only option is Su 57
At some point of Time , we will need a Fifth
Gen Plane , So the only option is Su 57
What's the connection between the 2? Haven't you been following the progress of this program? The Mk1a was initiated as a compromise and via media to get the IAF on board fully for further iterations of the LCA by MP when they complained that the Mk1 was sub optimal. Mk1a was always supposed to be an intermediate stage before the definitive Mk2 / MCA came out.
PKS is now spinning this into something new. He's claiming there's going to be no Mk1a but SPORT with certain modifications is going to come in for Mk1a.
Stealth is of two Types , Geometric stealth and Material Stealth
Our good old DRDO is still Grappling with
Both for AMCA
Dont even talk of Engines : Kaveri or Izdeliye 30 ( Su 57) ; or GE 414
No Defence Reporter has even talked of its Internal Weapon bays or Radar or EW suite or Sensor Fusion
Whenever somebody talks of AMCA
I feel like crying
PKS ki MKB
Our advantage is that J 20 is a Dud
It can be detected by BARS radar of Su 30
So with Better Radars coming in both Super Sukhoi and Rafale , J 20 is not a threat
This is something they should have decided back in 2007 itself.
And we should have gone for the development of a more modern variant of the Su-30MKI instead, but too late for all that now.
How was the IAF to know the Russians would take us for a ride back in 2007? This is 20/20 vision speaking.
I agree with you that we ought to have commenced our Super Sukhoi program at least 4-5 years ago. It still isn't late.
I agree with you that we ought to have commenced our Super Sukhoi program at least 4-5 years ago. It still isn't late.
Below is what I have copied from BR regarding Su 30 upgrade
Credit : Karan
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Overhaul is a given.
What we do have in our local/imported kitty so far are:
- 6 channel RWR to prevent Blanking Eagle eye (on order, in induction) and DR118 (trials)
- HBJ pod to replace Russian/Israeli jammers (status awaited)
- MAWS (ready for fitment, trials?)
- i-Derby ER (order yet to be placed)
- ASRAAM (2x Su-30s modified as testbed, initial integration work cleared, orders yet to be placed)
- Brahmos (orders placed)
- Spice 2000 (being added)
- Desi weapons - all in development but which will make a radical change to the Su-30: PGHSLD (450/500kg), GPS bombs (500kg/1000kg), Glide bombs (500kg-1Ton, 30km-100km range), NGARM, Rudra M2, SAAW
- New avionics architecture + 2x wide area displays (DARE has proposal ready)
- Software defined radio (orders placed, to replace/supplant existing Russian radios which are capable but lower bandwidth etc).
Additional "missing" items:
- New IRST (program for domestic one has merely received DAC clearance)
- Radar upgrades, run to Russia (which ideally IAF should have funded LRDE for, to at least progress domestic capability for the future)
- Engine upgrades (Russians are putting in 117S variants into Su-30 SM)
- New weapons from Russia e.g. VRLAAM for AWACS etc (RVV-BD, 300km range)
- Towed decoy package (a bunch available) + expendable decoys (eg Brite Cloud)
A development program is a 15-year endeavour at the minimum. Which means if first flight started in 2010, you can expect a tangible result only after 2020, when the aircraft reaches production standards. I have no idea who put it in the IAF's heads that they will get an operational aircraft with a new engine in 2017. Dates were progressively pushed from 2017 to 2019 to 2023 and beyond.
This risk is why they did not sign a contract in 2013, so at least they were thinking with their heads.
The Only Mistake we made was Not to Go in for more MiG 29s
MiG 29s are still being manufactured
We should Grab them for Replacing MiG 21
PAF has only one Plan , to use a Large number of JF 17s for Stopping IAF strike package
We need to have a plane which will engage the JF 17s while Su 30 s take care of F 16
I've already mentioned most of this. Anyway, this is about the MLU, whereas I was talking about the MKI's modernisation back in 2010. All old stuff, so no point discussing.
So, what's the difference between the 2? Doesn't modernizing also come under the MLU? And if there's a difference what's the difference?
MLU = The jets have already gone through half their life, hence mid-life. Like F-16V, M2000UPG, Mig-29UPG etc.
Modernisation = New build aircraft with new avionics and perhaps even airframe and engine modifications. Like Su-35, F-16 B70, Super Hornet etc.