So can the U.S senate. But they won't. J-20 is still a tech specimen. They might sell j-20A's but way later.
Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions
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Rafales will only fix our medium fighter gap. That's basically j-10,f-16 and flankers. IAF still doesn't have a medium stealth fighter and a heavy stealth fighter to counter plaaf.
We need 4.5th gen
single engine mrca(Tejas mk2)
Dual engine mrca(rafale/typhoon)
Dual engine hmrca(Sukhoi/f-15EX
Dual engine air superiority mrca(typhoon/f-15/super Sukhoi)
Single engine stealth fighter(f-35/"Tejas mk3")
Dual engine stealth fighter(su-57/amca)
Dual engine stealth naval fighter(tedbf/ngad/fcas)
Subsonic stealth bomber??
Supersonic bomber???
That's a wishlist that is a very real need in our environment.
We need to replace the jaguars, mig21's and mig 29's asap. They can pull up a few tricks but we need to have lo 4.5-4.75+ gen fighters as a base standard.
I think India really needs to trim down on the diversity of models rather than further increase it.
What's the point of a single engine stealth fighter? The checkmate fighter by Russia will only be purchased by middle powers that are anti-western. Any other power will develop or acquire platforms with more capability.
Again, why 2 different types of bombers?
If AMCA is more strike focused then go for a heavier weight stealth fighter. Or change the doctrine and go heavily into unmanned wingman style drones to do most of the heavy lifting.
Unlike chinese premiere senet is not a single person, its damn difficult than passing a bill in indian Parliament.
If you still not convinced, how china acquisition works for development projects with that of India.
We need MK2,Rafale/EF T, F15EX as gen 4. Rest all should be retired.
When comes to stealth only F35 is available in market.
For future plan, scrap the AMCA & go with french/british sixth gen as medium stealth aircraft & pressurise/beg or bend over infront of US for NGAD for heavy class stealth fighter. We simply lacks technical capabilities & political will to develope AMCA.
Lastly, SU57 is not a stealth aircraft, neither it a gen 5 fighter too. Instead if materialized, go with mig 41 or equivalent from Russia. Lack of a dedicated high altitude ultra fast intetceptor like mig31 cause irreversible damage to us during feb27.
Mig 41 isn't coming anytime soon. Mig got absorbed by Sukhoi. It's vapourware. There was no irreversible damage in Feb 27.
I had always laughed at their decision to go for it. It wasn't a maintenance issue, the airframe is pretty decent. The AEW itself is junk.
Foreign aid of course.
Pakistan will never be allowed to fall to a conventional disadvantage against India. The problem is we haven't yet stepped up to the level we can 'cause the govt's priorities are elsewhere. Their atmanirbharta plan is for the long term and does not have enough space for short term solutions.
Now the most logical thing to do would be to add another 36 IAF versions to the planned 26 Rafale Ms.
In any case, this J-31 purchase is only being done in order to match the IAF's 36 Rafales, so they are still chasing. Pakistan must have a better long term plan than that.
Will never happen. China can't afford getting sucked into an Indo-Pak war. My bet, what's more likely is some small Chinese presence could be felt in the air over PoK, operating out of Skardu.
With F-16s and Mirages, it was better before. Now it's just a downgrade. And it's their first attempt at operating a TE jet.
J-31 isn't an official program either, PLAAF has a different one. J-31 was designed for export, and the PLAN later chose the design for their navy.
This is merely PAF's reaction to the purchase of the Rafales and S-400s. They are gonna need a more serious program for the future, like the Turkish one. Or at least more numbers.
It's not something we have to worry about. As long as we prepare for the enemy in the north, the enemy in the west will be taken care of by default.
In terms of availability & turn-around times, the J-31 will be equivalent if not worse than the MiG-29. A sustained air campaign cannot be conducted with this platform. It's not a threat in those terms.
However, the fact that it carries weapons internally will give it the advantage of a lower RCS in engagements than any existing IAF airframe, all of which have to carry loads externally. However, whether this translates into a real shoot-first opportunity or not will depend on how low said RCS is. It's obvious the Chinese didn't give this jet the same treatment as the J-20 when it comes to RCS-reduction features...so a lot will come down to who has the better radars & AAMs.
IAF will still retain the advantage in those terms.
However, the fact that it carries weapons internally will give it the advantage of a lower RCS in engagements than any existing IAF airframe, all of which have to carry loads externally. However, whether this translates into a real shoot-first opportunity or not will depend on how low said RCS is. It's obvious the Chinese didn't give this jet the same treatment as the J-20 when it comes to RCS-reduction features...so a lot will come down to who has the better radars & AAMs.
IAF will still retain the advantage in those terms.
Bhai, LCA, Rafale, MKI and AMCA are enough. What you've listed is for a museum. It would be great if the MKIs are cut out as AMCAs come in. And by 2080, we will need all our jets subsumed into a single jet and a family of drones. So we wanna reduce the number of types, not increase them.
Any stopgap measure outside of these 4 jets taken up this decade is only going to be a desperate, no-choice move on our part, like we did with the 36 Rafales. Hopefully we are not in that position.
Come on, the J-31 is gonna be far better than the Mig-29 in sustainment. New engine, new airframe.
Agreed on everything else.
Aren't they using WS-13s?
TBO figures still worse than RD-93s. MTBF too probably.
Plus, unlikely PAF will implement a PBL ecosystem.
This kind of news is nonsense at first sight, without the ZDK-03 Chinese made aircraft how to command? In addition, in 2023, the ZDK-03 was upgraded in China, and short-term retirement is impossible.
How do you come to this conclusion
There's a new 11-12T WS-19 engine with supercruise and 3D TVC.
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WS-13 was made for the JF-17.
The Mig-29 is way, way behind compared to the modern era. Even if the J-31 doesn't meet the most modern requirements, it will still be at a level enough to sustain a protracted air campaign, at least far better than the current lot of MKIs, never mind the Migs. At the very least, the US expects it to outmatch all the American Teens, so that's saying something.
The basic capabilities of the J-35 will be far superior to the TEDBF as well.
In India, only the Rafale is its match and we will need the F5 to keep up before AMCA comes in.
In any case, we don't need to react to this, our procurement plan is much better. Our main concern will remain the J-20 and whether a stopgap is necessary to deal with it.
The PAF have transferred all their ZDKs to Karachi to support the PN at sea. They consider it useless against land clutter. The PAF will only retain the airframes. And perhaps ELINT systems?
They are working on alternate means to communicate with Chinese fighters. And, pretty soon, most of the PAF will have only Chinese fighters, so even the Link 16 will be replaced with an alternative. Only 18 F-16s have enough life beyond the 2030s, so they will replace its comm system too.
The transfer to Karachi should be to face the southern front, not to face the sea, the sea can not use four AWACS, and the so-called replacement is impossible, first, Pakistan does not have this technology, second, the current two sets of systems are enough, developed alone, American fighters and Chinese fighters can not adapt
You should ask the Pakistanis, they have started removing the radars from all their aircraft and grounded them.
They will receive 3 new Erieye-ER by the end of the year.