Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

so they still have to align the entire jet each time they target something?
Again this is only as far as I know, I could be wrong. But yes, without a cueing system you would have to align to fire. Even if they did have a cueing system it would be Chinese in origin, the quality of which remains a suspect. Perhaps, @vstol Jockey can explain better.
 
Again this is only as far as I know, I could be wrong. But yes, without a cueing system you would have to align to fire. Even if they did have a cueing system it would be Chinese in origin, the quality of which remains a suspect. Perhaps, @vstol Jockey can explain better.

so...
no mid air refueling for current inducted batches, which means it will have to land for tanking up every time it runs out of juice
no hot fueling, so it will have to shut down engines and cool after landing before tanking up
no cueing system, so will have to maneuvre and align to fire every single bullet or bomb or missile.....

I think the white horses Zaid Hamid saw in his dreams are better equipped to fight wars.....
 
no mid air refueling for current inducted batches, which means it will have to land for tanking up every time it runs out of juice
Which might explain the frequent highway landing exercises. There is the propaganda value to it of course.
no hot fueling, so it will have to shut down engines and cool after landing before tanking up
This in combination to the first point just makes things worse. Not only are you forced to land, you are forced to wait as the engine cool and we are talking of Russian RD-93 here. That engine isn't exactly reliable, frequenly turning on and then off and then on again is going to eat into the service life of the engine. Not to mention safety. The cooling I believe is natural cooling not assisted, that would mean more down time as the ambient temperatures in Pakistan is a lot higher than say Sweden. So, don't expect Gripen levels of mission readiness or deployment rates.
 
Again this is only as far as I know, I could be wrong. But yes, without a cueing system you would have to align to fire. Even if they did have a cueing system it would be Chinese in origin, the quality of which remains a suspect. Perhaps, @vstol Jockey can explain better.
The cueing system or the SIGHT has to be aligned for guns and rockets only provided the SIGHT is a gyro stabilised or fixed SIGHT. Now we have computer calculated impact point/line which is displyed on the HUD.
The missiles can work with or without cueing system. Once you make a missile live, its seeker searches for tagets on its own within a limited bore sight. Boresight is like a cone which defines the azimuth and elevation limits of view of the seeker. The aircraft needs to be manoevered in such a manner that the target falls within this bore sight. recall early days of Heat seeking missiles. The aircraft needed to fire them from behind the target and within 30* of the rear of the target.
But the missile has the ability to turn its seeker just like we turn our head and eyeballs to look. This ability to turn the head to look beyond the normal fixed bore sight is called off boresight angle. You need cueing systems for this kind of cueing and the very first such system was made operational on Mig-29s. In this you align the boresight of the pilot's eyes to that of the missile seeker. Now wherever the pilot sees, within a specific limit, even the missile seeker will see there only.
 
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JF-17 with YJ-12 Anti Ship Cruise Missiles


Pakistan to deploy new squadron of F-16 fighter planes along border with India

According to Air Force sources, Pakistan has built a new squadron of the F16 fighter plane, which has been built in Mushaf air base. The report added that the squadron has been named 'Aggressor' and it will be known as number 29 in Pakistan. According to Indian Air Force sources, the squadron 29 includes a total of eight F-16 fighter planes, which will be charged to take immediate action against its neighbouring country India, in case of an emergency. The sources said that Squadron 9 of Mushaf airbase of Pakistan Air Force is already equipped with F-16 fighter planes.


Pakistan was offered 30 Mirage aircraft by Egypt to supplement PAF’s existing fleet of Mirages. The Horus Mirage 5 aircraft were updated in Egypt in 2008. The upgrades include RC400 radar, MAWS, mission pods, HMD, night strike capability etc.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2019/04/10/what-does-pakistan-need-to-close-its-air-defense-gaps/

Mirage/F-7 squadrons are replaced with JF-17 combat aircraft at a rate of one squadron per year. “However, this would still take five years at least, and could go beyond that time frame if [JF-17] export orders have to be filled,” Tufail noted.

PAKISTAN AERONAUTICAL COMPLEX ISSUES TENDER FOR JF-17 MRO WAREHOUSE

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) released a tender requiring the “establishment of warehouse for JF-17 MRO (maintenance, repair, and overhaul). The tender can be viewed on PAC’s official website.

Besides stating that the MRO warehouse is “a turnkey project”, PAC did not provide specific timelines for the project in the bid. However, the bidder is required to have previously done warehouse construction work in at least two Pakistan Air Force (PAF) bases. It must also offer a warranty of items for 12 months.

The PAF inducted its first JF-17s (via the No. 26 Squadron) in 2010. According to AVIC (via Air International), the JF-17 has an airframe life of 3,000 hours.[1] If each JF-17 is flown for 150 to 200 hours per year, that would equate to a total life-cycle of 15 to 20 years. Thus, the JF-17 Block-I is reaching its ‘mid-life’ point.

Pakistan Air Force receives AEW&C radar equipment from Saab

The three sets of radar equipment were delivered on 9 April, Quwa reported, citing information from Pakistan’s import and export database.

According to IHS Jane’s, the equipment delivered by Saab could be three Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) radar systems for potential installation onto three Saab 2000 aircraft.

The twin-engine Saab 2000 aircraft were procured by the Directorate General Defence Purchase of Pakistan last year, according to an announcement made by sales specialist Skyworld Aviation in June.

The Quwa report stated that the PAF originally placed an order to purchase five Saab 2000s.

Four of the aircraft were planned to be integrated with the Erieye AEW&C system. The remaining aircraft was meant for VIP flights and training.

“The Erieye radar system is based on active electronically scanned array (AESA) technology and can be used for air and sea surveillance, intelligence, command and control.”

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Damaged SAAB Erieye undergoing repairs at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex

In 2012, two of the four Erieye AEW&C were damaged and one was written-off. The two damaged aircraft later underwent repairs at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).

The report added that the PAF ordered three additional Erieye AEW&C aircraft in 2017. If the country receives all the aircraft, the fleet size would increase to six.

The Erieye radar system is based on active electronically scanned array (AESA) technology and can be used for air and intelligence, command and control. The radar provides 300 degree coverage and has an instrumental range of 450 km and detection range of 350 km in a dense hostile electronic warfare environment—in heavy radar clutter and at low target altitudes. In addition to this, the radar is also capable of identifying friends or foes, and has a sea surveillance mode.

It supports multi-mission capabilities, including airborne early warning, control, surveillance, search and rescue of national borders and assets.

Pakistan is the first customer for the Saab 2000 AEW&C system. The Pakistan Government placed the order in June 2006.

The first aircraft entered into service with the PAF in October 2009.
 
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JF-17 with YJ-12 Anti Ship Cruise Missiles


Pakistan to deploy new squadron of F-16 fighter planes along border with India

According to Air Force sources, Pakistan has built a new squadron of the F16 fighter plane, which has been built in Mushaf air base. The report added that the squadron has been named 'Aggressor' and it will be known as number 29 in Pakistan. According to Indian Air Force sources, the squadron 29 includes a total of eight F-16 fighter planes, which will be charged to take immediate action against its neighbouring country India, in case of an emergency. The sources said that Squadron 9 of Mushaf airbase of Pakistan Air Force is already equipped with F-16 fighter planes.


Pakistan was offered 30 Mirage aircraft by Egypt to supplement PAF’s existing fleet of Mirages. The Horus Mirage 5 aircraft were updated in Egypt in 2008. The upgrades include RC400 radar, MAWS, mission pods, HMD, night strike capability etc.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2019/04/10/what-does-pakistan-need-to-close-its-air-defense-gaps/

Mirage/F-7 squadrons are replaced with JF-17 combat aircraft at a rate of one squadron per year. “However, this would still take five years at least, and could go beyond that time frame if [JF-17] export orders have to be filled,” Tufail noted.

PAKISTAN AERONAUTICAL COMPLEX ISSUES TENDER FOR JF-17 MRO WAREHOUSE

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) released a tender requiring the “establishment of warehouse for JF-17 MRO (maintenance, repair, and overhaul). The tender can be viewed on PAC’s official website.

Besides stating that the MRO warehouse is “a turnkey project”, PAC did not provide specific timelines for the project in the bid. However, the bidder is required to have previously done warehouse construction work in at least two Pakistan Air Force (PAF) bases. It must also offer a warranty of items for 12 months.

The PAF inducted its first JF-17s (via the No. 26 Squadron) in 2010. According to AVIC (via Air International), the JF-17 has an airframe life of 3,000 hours.[1] If each JF-17 is flown for 150 to 200 hours per year, that would equate to a total life-cycle of 15 to 20 years. Thus, the JF-17 Block-I is reaching its ‘mid-life’ point.

Pakistan Air Force receives AEW&C radar equipment from Saab

The three sets of radar equipment were delivered on 9 April, Quwa reported, citing information from Pakistan’s import and export database.

According to IHS Jane’s, the equipment delivered by Saab could be three Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) radar systems for potential installation onto three Saab 2000 aircraft.

The twin-engine Saab 2000 aircraft were procured by the Directorate General Defence Purchase of Pakistan last year, according to an announcement made by sales specialist Skyworld Aviation in June.

The Quwa report stated that the PAF originally placed an order to purchase five Saab 2000s.

Four of the aircraft were planned to be integrated with the Erieye AEW&C system. The remaining aircraft was meant for VIP flights and training.

“The Erieye radar system is based on active electronically scanned array (AESA) technology and can be used for air and sea surveillance, intelligence, command and control.”

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Damaged SAAB Erieye undergoing repairs at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex

In 2012, two of the four Erieye AEW&C were damaged and one was written-off. The two damaged aircraft later underwent repairs at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).

The report added that the PAF ordered three additional Erieye AEW&C aircraft in 2017. If the country receives all the aircraft, the fleet size would increase to six.

The Erieye radar system is based on active electronically scanned array (AESA) technology and can be used for air and intelligence, command and control. The radar provides 300 degree coverage and has an instrumental range of 450 km and detection range of 350 km in a dense hostile electronic warfare environment—in heavy radar clutter and at low target altitudes. In addition to this, the radar is also capable of identifying friends or foes, and has a sea surveillance mode.

It supports multi-mission capabilities, including airborne early warning, control, surveillance, search and rescue of national borders and assets.

Pakistan is the first customer for the Saab 2000 AEW&C system. The Pakistan Government placed the order in June 2006.

The first aircraft entered into service with the PAF in October 2009.
 
JF-17 Thunder – Lightning Strikes Twice
by Alan Warnes

- June 15, 2019, 3:30 AM

Three Pakistan Air Force (PAF) JF-17s are attending this year’s Paris Air Show. The type will be making a welcome visit after the Pak-Sino-developed Thunder visited the event in 2015, and a lot has happened to the program since then.

Right now the last three Block 2s are on the Aircraft Manufacturing Factory (AMF) final assembly line at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra, which will eventually help to equip a seventh operational unit later this year. Meanwhile, the first JF-17 has undergone a major overhaul at PAC Kamra’s Aircraft Repair Factory, and there is a dual-seat JF-17B, 17-601, undergoing test and evaluation in Pakistan. A decision from the PAF leadership on a new AESA radar for the Block 3 JF-17s is pending and is expected by November, followed by its first operational sortie early next year. Then, in deals that were signed in late-2017, AMF will assemble 50 Block 3 JF-17s and 26 JF-17Bs. Next year Air Engineering Depot 102 at PAF Base Faisal will start overhauling the jet's Klimov RD93 powerplant.

There is a lot going on to occupy the minds of the PAF leadership, and operationally the JF-17 is playing a major part in the defense of Pakistan’s skies, with six operational squadrons. During the PAF’s recent confrontation with the Indian Air Force, known in Pakistan as Operation Swift Retort, PAF Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan told AIN in mid-April, “The aircraft performed very well against the IAF Mirage 2000s and their Mica missiles, as well as the MiG-21 Bison and its R-73 Archer AAMs.”

On the export front, Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) has delivered six JF-17s (four single-seaters and two dual seaters) to the Myanmar Air Force, while PAC has sold three examples to Nigeria, and these should be delivered after the pilots are trained in Pakistan. Sales and marketing of the jet were split between PAC and China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) in 2015. CATIC is engaged in discussions with Egypt surrounding the Block 3s, while PAC continues to talk to Malaysia.

PRODUCTION LINE
More than 100 JF-17s have now come off the AMF assembly line, where the wings, horizontal tail, vertical tail, and forward fuselage, representing 58 percent of the fighter, are built. They are matched with the remaining 42 percent built in Chengdu in China, including the mid- and rear- fuselages that are airfreighted to PAC Kamra. The three fuselage sections are mated at the JF-17 subassembly line and are pushed through on a large trolley to one of the four docks in the final assembly facility.

That’s when the avionics, wiring, undercarriage, harnesses, and Klimov RD93 powerplant are added, while the Martin-Baker Mk16 ejection seat comes later. The aircraft’s air-to-air refueling probes are not necessarily fitted on the assembly line, although all the necessary plumbing has been put in place since the production of Block 2 13-129.

After being towed down to the flight test shed, the newly built JF-17s are put through five functional check flights (FCFs) by one of the four qualified test pilots based at the co-located Test and Evaluation Squadron (TES). Three PAF pilots have qualified at the Boscombe Down-based Empire Test Pilot School for the JF-17, but now most of them go to Xian in China to get their qualifications. When the author met Squadron Leader Ali in April, he was about to test-fly the latest JF-17 to leave the assembly line. He went through a six months training program in China after flying with two operational JF-17 squadrons. Working alongside him in the flight test shed was Boscombe-qualified Group Captain Imran, who spent two years during the early days of the JF-17 test program at Chengdu flying the prototypes and was more recently the first JF-17 Combat Commanders School (CCS) commanding officer. He told AIN, “During the FCFs we push the aircraft to the limit, right through the complete envelope, to assess the handling qualities, checking the systems and aircraft performance.”

Once the FCFs are completed the PAF then puts the JF-17 through a further check flight and if there are no snags, the aircraft will be officially handed over.

PAC chairman Air Marshall Ahmer Shahzad told AIN, “Production of subassemblies has already started for the first two 50 Block 3 aircraft, to be assembled next year, and will be followed by another 12 in 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024. We will assemble eight dual-seaters this year, followed by 14 in 2020, and the remaining four in 2021.”

Building the JF-17 since 2009 has catapulted PAC into the serious business of fighter production, a feat that not many countries can boast, particularly in Asia. The chairman said he is keen to build on this. The company has already built a high-speed aerial target and is close to the completion of an indigenous UAV.

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Having flown around 100 hours of test and evaluation sorties, the first JF-17B to be delivered to Pakistan was having an air-to-air refuelling system fitted in mid-April.

BLOCK 3 JETS
The JF-17 Block 3 enhancements will involve new avionics, including a helmet-mounted display and a holographic wide-angle head-up display, better electronic warfare systems with integrated self-protection kit, as well as a missile approach and warning system, an increased payload, and more sophisticated weapons like a fifth-generation short-range air-to-air missile. It will be the ultimate JF-17, and with an AESA radar will have the capability to employ longer-range weapons and track multiple aircraft.

A decision on a new AESA radar for the Block 3s is expected to be made by the end of the year. There are now three Chinese contenders, which were all shown at last year’s Zhuhai Air Show, while Leonardo’s Grifo-E is still on the table.

Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology's KLJ-7A is being marketed by China Electronics Technology Group Corporation in air- and liquid-cooling options. The second contender, which was displayed at the Zhuhai Air Show last November along with the two Nanjing examples, comes from Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute (LETRI), another air-cooling AESA known as the LKF601E. AVIC has thrown its weight behind this option and claims it was the first air-cooling radar. Replacing the JF-17’s original KLJ-7 is simply a case of taking out the old system and inserting the new one. The PAF’s Flight Test Group is currently working the options.

WEAPONS OPTIONS
The PAF’s JF-17s are operational with the SD-10 beyond visual range air-to-air missile (AAM) with a data link and initial mid-course guidance, PL-5EII infrared short-range AAM, C-802 anti-shipping missile, and a stand-off capability courtesy of its Indigenous Range Extension Kit integrated with the Mk80 series of general-purpose bombs. The PAF chief of air staff recently told AIN that the JF-17 is better than many contemporary aircraft in three areas but would not provide any more details, although the air-to-sea mode is undoubtedly one of them.

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A large number of weapons that could be integrated on to the JF-17 by customers, were on view at Zhuhai Air show last November.

At IDEF 19, held in Istanbul in early May, an Aselsan source confirmed that deliveries of the first of 50 Aselsan targeting pods for the JF-17s will commence "within a few months," which will provide the JF-17 with a laser-designator capability, working with JTACs on the ground in the air-to-land integration role.

Air Commodore Rashid Habib, JF-17 deputy chief project director, told the audience at the IDEAS 18 Air Power Conference in Karachi, that the JF-17 had flown 40,000 operational hours. He added that the JF-17B would be fitted with a missionized rear cockpit for combat training and operations, a three-axis fly-by-wire kit, and a fifth-generation advanced short-range air-to-air missile.

JF-17 Thunder – Lightning Strikes Twice
 
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Pakistan was offered 30 Mirage aircraft by Egypt to supplement PAF’s existing fleet of Mirages. The Horus Mirage 5 aircraft were updated in Egypt in 2008. The upgrades include RC400 radar
are you sure of that?
First time i read something about a RC400 in a Mirage 3.... If it's true, that means that it can accomodate MICA... and MICA were sold to Egyp with Rafale....
 
By introverts do you mean the raita wingers whose scope of conflict is only limited to able to write pkmkb on the internet for the ego boost? I have seen plenty on the other forum

Yes they are part of that, and most of them are from BJP IT cell I guess. And others as well who right now think India can actually take POK. It's not possible. We can't take POK right now we do not have capability and that is my resentment. I shout because we do not have specific goal what exactly to do with Pakistan. Are you fighting to stop terrorism or want to retake the territory.

@Sulla84 I agree with you there is no vision. And we are seriously not serious. And I was just going through Pakistani forum , they are right now procuring anti tank ammo from Russia and other sort of Naval procurement have began in PN. They are serious about taking Kashmir.

PA is procuring T-129 and AH-1Z gunships , they are capable of firing Air to Air Mistral/Aim-9 missiles and addition PAF buying 36 Mirage V from Egypt as well. This all started in March after 27th Feb. And Why I am quoting this because this procurement means they are filling the gap for short term skirmish.
 
PA is procuring T-129 and AH-1Z gunships , they are capable of firing Air to Air Mistral/Aim-9 missiles and addition PAF buying 36 Mirage V from Egypt as well. This all started in March after 27th Feb. And Why I am quoting this because this procurement means they are filling the gap for short term skirmish.

The Americans have blocked delivery of attack helicopters to Pakistan, both AH-1Z and T-129.

Mirage V. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Mirage 5 is confirmed.yes Americans have blocked delivery of helicopters.during recent Shaheen exercise,our pilots look interested in j-10c.i think that could be an option.

Excellency - Mirages are being pulled in to cannibalize for spares. Not even half of them will ever become airworthy and that is being optimistic.

You can go for the J-10Cs. By all means please do so. The Chinese have been looking to acquire some sea side property. May be you could work out a CPEC extension deal with a Land for Arms swap.

BJP is now making initial probes for PoK. Inserting the odd statement or two here and there to gauge the mood of the public. Without proper support nothing will happen. The Candle March for Abhinandan did its part.

I am curious to know how the general population of PoK will react. Will they accept the events or will they run interference.
 
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