Was referring to the AIP, not the submarine.
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Was referring to the AIP, not the submarine.
Are you sure?Naval Group is proposing FC2G AIP to Indonesia, instead of the old MESMA AIP.
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I read: «(…) Returning to the French proposal, the material definition of the CM-2000 Scorpene has evolved since its appearance in Indonesia at the beginning of 2016.
Initially, it was proposed to use the generic configuration of this submarine, which would then only benefit from a simple obsolescence treatment. The addition of a hull section with an AIP system was not proposed, which is why the Scorpene AM-2000 was not proposed.
It can be assumed that Naval Group no longer wishes to propose the MESMA (Module d'Energie Sous-Marine Autonome) while the so-called 3rd generation AIP module - FC2G (Fuel Cell 2nd Generation) which only burns diesel and no hydrogen - may not have a timetable consistent with these negotiations. (…)»
i also read « lithium-ion battery ».
Spain? The country that made the S80 too heavy they needed help from USA to balance the ship, with a 10 meters add on ? No, it's not a serious partner.
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Agreed. Of the three left, they are the least experienced. But their advantage is their offer is not a paper offer. And even if they needed help earlier, as long as their design works, it's gonna be accepted.
Of the three, France comes with a paper design, plus bound to be expensive. The Korean one has everything we need, but they don't want to offer VLS, it's like they don't want to win. And the Spanish design has no VLS, yet, but it could come with it, it's not difficult to add a VLS module after all. So their design is the most realistic option.
We have a huge " Sense of Entitlement "
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The S80 is over weighted (so slower than intended), over priced, fitted with US weapon system (not totally free to use).
How is the weapon system of the Korean design?
It depends.
See how the french then the US helped israel with missile & nuclear tech and fighters.
Not to speak of GB versus uncle sam.
India is a old, stable, non aligned and honnest french ally. I think India is among the very few country where a very substancial ToT may occur.
Which is why ToT expectation is 50%, not 100%.
The size of our orders does give us entitlement. Which is why we demand a lot and they also deliver.
Not an issue for us. We are getting an indigenous 5MW design, much better than their 3.5MW motor.
Subjective.
The question is whether it meets requirements. Price is a secondary consideration.
We plan to use Indian weapons, regardless of submarine choice. So Brahmos, LRLACM, possibly an Indian torpedo. The Spanish are using a German torpedo.
They are using a Tomahawk cousin as SLCM, an Iskander cousin as SLBM, 9M96 cousin as SAM and their own Tiger Shark torpedo. Most of their sensors are Korean, French and Spanish.
The large foreign component is probably why meeting IN's 50% ToT expectation is difficult for them.
RFI for Indigenous Development of 5 MW Propulsion Motor for Submarines 27 Jan 21 | Indian Navy
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They are. They want up to 12 cells. People are confused about the old RFI, which didn't have a VLS requirement.
In India? absolutey not sure.... Maybe in UAE or Qatar.
Same as MMRCA. We didn't choose based on price, we chose based on capabilities and selected Rafale and Typhoon, the most expensive options.
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They are. They want up to 12 cells. People are confused about the old RFI, which didn't have a VLS requirement.
Based on past experiences on Indian R&D, it will not be materialized in near future.
Not really. MMRCA was never inked because too costly.
The Rafale order was only an urgent stop gap purchase. 1/4 of the initial quantity.
MMRCA became expensive because of HAL.
Anyway, our tender works in a two-step process. First we shortlist what meets our requirements and then we look at cost.
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I completely agree ...We need to do it now not tomorrow, Why we are not going for our own DRDO AIP system with the existing scorpene design I have no idea. If we talking about atmanirbhar we should give Drdo a chance to use our own AIP systems. we are looking towards the west when we are designing nuclear submarines. The problem we talk too much about ideas but when it's the time for implementation we escape...A follow on for Scorpene or P75I or a g2g, whatever they want to do, do it fast.
Better way is to make all vvip transport purchase an atmanirbhar cover up. Let the political leadership take the lead and spare defence forces from taking risk.
