Project 75 India Diesel-electric Submarine Programs (SSK) : Updates and Discussions
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S80 of Spain has considerable amount of American Items. I am not sure about its CMS. But is there may arise a situation where they refuse to allow us to modify the CMS to fire under development SLCM, then pretty much Spain is also out.
The Spanish certainly can't make it, that leaves the South Koreans which would make the contract a single source at best.
We want all that to be Indian.
What we need is more advanced reactor designs, stealth techniques, materials, motor and propeller designs and so on. Perhaps an exotic sensor or two that no one has any idea about.
For the stuff you mentioned, take it for granted that it's as good or better than what the West has. Because the IN has largely settled for Indian stuff over imports in that area. Especially due to the fact that the indigenisation rate of the first three SSNs is 95%.
Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But if companies start offering the same stuff outside tenders, then those offers won't be entertained because it will destroy India's credibility in holding tenders. Then future tenders will get a stepmotherly treatment, and not just in defence. Even though the Modi govt has been very clean, many Western companies already do not compete in India because of corruption from the pre-Modi era.
The Spanish would have taken such things into consideration before making the offer.
The new procedure caters towards single source vendors in tenders. It can be exercised in such situations.
But, at least for now the Spanish are not out.
I get the feeling at least one of the "conditions" is to have a sub in the water. Both are in the water in some capacity. The Spanish sub is expected to begin sea trials soon.
The SSN Barracuda is also in the water and is less expensive than the short fin Barracuda.
Yeah, sure, but that will be a separate thing, it will have no relation with P-75I.
It's like how the French abandoned MRCA with M2000 and offered the Rafale, but the IAF didn't go for it, they went for a new tender instead.
A tender for SSN? It's G2G between Strategic Partners.
Good riddance i would say. Scorpene leaks has already erroded french credibility in technology they dont themselves use. Europeans i/c russia cant be trusted in that sphere as per past experience.
No one makes better SSKs than NG or TKMS. And we depend on them. It's not a good thing to happen.
Just a myth. Our navy worked hard and got way out to locate Pak agosta (NG tech) even when they were hiding in its birth. Kilos despite being very old still work wonderful. Just because they themselves dont use it french took it too lightly to let scorpene secrets leak. It is a kind of backstab. No foreign country is reliable for such tech. This may lead to indigenous efforts which is absolute necessity at this point. If we can do it for SSNs, We can do it for SSKs for sure. Japs did it there way.
Reports say it has 50% availability. Scorpene has 66.67% mission capability rate.
Mission Capability means that actual time spent on patrol. Availability means that ready at base to leave for patrol.
Don't delude yourself.
We paid mad for 10 years of lease then and are paying 3 billion USD for another 10 years of lease.
In 3 billion we could actually buy 4 new Russian SSNs which would serve 25 years with one refueling.
That amount has bought necessary help. Help which cannot applied everywhere.
It was luck that our extremely limited space Surveillance was where when it spotted it. If not , we do not have capability to monitor just 3 Agosta 90Bs simultaneously.
Do you realise just to scan and search a certain grid one needs 4-5 mission hours on 1 ASW platform.
Though we have the best record in non proliferation but this may well be the time to think out of the box. Give Japs + S. kors the submarine based reactor tech & get out the still to learn SSK knowledge for us. Simple give & take have made west upfront. We now have too much knowledge to impart we havent shared any. व्यये कृते वर्धते एव नित्यं विद्याधनं सर्वधनप्रधानम्॥
My friend no use even if scorpenes are available 100% if they could be easily detected. Its tech has bedn compromised. It seems u are unawre of scorpene leaks.
so naive if you think subs can be found out just by luck. It doesnt happen in practical world.
A simple thing like hull of Minesweeper didn't work out when we found that original IPR of tech claimed domestic by South Korea was held by Italy actually.
Imagine what happens with Submarine?
100 to 120 db signature encompasses 99% modern operating Diesel Submarines. Kilos are more noisy.
Do you realise that dockyard of Karachi doesn't have sheds?
OSINT accounts with USDs will monitor them 24/7.
Australians built them and Chinese Observation satellites became useless just like that.
The Sonar suite of Scorpene is 20 years old but is a generation ahead of our own Sonar suite developed 10 years .
My friend they are still the black holes. Its not just about the amount of signature in case of boats whether surfaced or submerged. Its also about the particular signature they make. It is what the enemy is really after.
We detected it ourselves without any help from US or any other country. Nobody will help us in such missions. And we wont ask anybody bcoz it will reveal our mission objectives. It is really our decades of efforts.