Russia is not richer than China or India if we go by GDP number alone , yet she has more potent submarine force both in numbers & quality than both India & China combined lol.
Project 75 India Diesel-electric Submarine Programs (SSK) : Updates and Discussions
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When you convert their currency into a comparative figure, then the Russians have a multiple times bigger modernisation budget than India. Until the war began, even normally they had twice our modernisation budget in terms of dollars. But their ruble rate was half that of India's rupees, so the overall budget was 4 times bigger. Their post-war modernisation budget could be even more bigger, possibly even 8-12 times, even significantly exceeding the US capital budget.
For example, a Western SSK is at least $1B, and current SSNs cost $3B. But a Russian Yasen-M probably costs just $700M. It's also bigger, so an equally big US sub may cost nearly $5B, which means for every Sea Wolf class the US builds, the Russians can buy 7 Yasen-Ms. With the current exchange rate, Russia only needs $20B to match America's $140B. But Russia's is at least $50-60B today. Most of that money is currently going into tripling or even quadrupling the size of their ground forces at the moment, within 3 years. And they have claimed to expand their aircraft and shipping production too. It will take a few years to see these changes, perhaps 2-3 years if they announce something, or up to 5 or 6 if they decide to demonstrate it. We can only be sure of the status by the end of the decade.
As for their fleet being bigger than China's, the Chinese have only recently become rich, whereas the Russians have simply used their Soviet era expertise and infrastructure to gain a 15-year lead over them. The Chinese can catch up though. Most of the Russian subs are pretty old, and any new expansion will take time to deliver. The Chinese will probably catch up with the US before 2040, they have 4 SSN lines compared to 2 American lines.
Yes Russian sub cost less because they produce all of their High end equipment on their own......Key word here is capability to innovate & build " High tech equipment " on one's own without external help
. This is not the case with both Cheena & India. Chinese doesn't have the capability to innovative only licensing & IP theft same goes for India...... Quality of GDP matters not just high numbers.
Yes Russian sub cost less because they produce all of their High end equipment on their own......Key word here is capability to innovate & build " High tech equipment " on one's own without external help
China's SSNs have very high indigenisation content, well over 95%, perhaps even 100%. India's first batch of 3 is expected to have 95% and the follow-on is expected to have 97%. So both countries are there already.
As for SSKs, the Chinese have replaced the diesel engine with their own, but India's only import could be this engine for P76. We have both achieved significant amounts of self-sufficiency in undersea technologies. The Chinese are naturally ahead.
Indigenisation content matter yes but have they done any improvement on it or have they Brought something new ? answer is a big no for cheena ? Their SUB are still noiser than Soviet subs of 70s
The level of confidence to give exact numbers for a yet to be constructed submarine is something. Others should learn something from this guy.
Indigenisation content matter yes but have they done any improvement on it or have they Brought something new ? answer is a big no for cheena ? Their SUB are still noiser than Soviet subs of 70s
Old news, from 17 years ago. It's from 2009 for a 2006 model. The first sub of the Shang class was said to be as quiet as the Victor III from 1979. But that's changed with later versions.
Now they are in their third generation of the class and have started construction on a successor.
From India's perspective, the only thing that matters is how our SSN will fare against theirs.
Indigenisation levels are determined before construction begins, genius. How else will you sign contracts?
Even their latest version are very very noisy....much more than the Soviet subs of late 70s lol
Never underestimate your enemy. No one tracks the Chinese threat better than @randomradio. Once again his assessment is almost near truth.
Here is an unbiased review of latest Chinese subs and they definitely have improved a lot. Give it a watch:
This is no way unbiased.......those cheeni sub pics are your typical UFO type pics , clicked with a potato cause they are a scam , part of typical cheeni propaganda tactics.
Their Type 095 is expected to be more or less on par with the US and Russia. Maybe it will be off by a magnitude in the beginning, but they will make up for it in numbers and faster introduction of new batches, A, B, C etc. With 2-3x the build rate, they have more options.
Maybe give a reason why it cant be ? These kind of one liner personal opinions are not helpful.
Lack of or say very very slow advancement in propulsion , cooling systems , sound isolation etc.........take whatever they say & claim with a
of salt. Their last fast Attack sub which was launched is still noiser than Victor III class SSNAgain, listing typical sources of noise is not validation. I agree we can take their claims with a pinch of salt. But we cannot simply dismiss China's ( who is considered a threat by the us and europe) subs as not up to par. That's a very juvenile judgement.Lack of or say very very slow advancement in propulsion , cooling systems , sound isolation etc.........take whatever they say & claim with a
Any source of your inference that the last attack sub is noisier than Victor 3?
I am genuinely glad and will appreciate it.
USN ONI listed Type 093 as noisier than Project 671RTM ( Victor III ) , improved version are still noiser
.......meanwhile cheeni were bragging it to be having same noise level as Improved Loss Angles class lol.Russians never transfer them tech which could have made their sub as quite as even Akula in first place which India has operated.
Chinese we're & are so desperate that by 2021 they were doing Cyber Attacks on Russian Rubin Design Bureau itself
So they told you it will be 97% or you made that up?Indigenisation levels are determined before construction begins, genius. How else will you sign contracts?
USN ONI listed Type 093 as noisier than Project 671RTM ( Victor III ) , improved version are still noiser
Russians never transfer them tech which could have made their sub as quite as even Akula in first place which India has operated.
Chinese we're & are so desperate that by 2021 they were doing Cyber Attacks on Russian Rubin Design Bureau itself
Yes, they whispered it in my ear, and then announced it publicly. You can google it.
